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Anyone 'For' Parelli??

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#1 ·
Looking for people who are into Parelli.

If you do parelli let us know what level your working on, about your horse, what got you into parelli etc. have you been to any parelli clinics? And anything else you what to share.I want this thread to NOT be a parelli bashing thread if your not into it don't comment. :lol: If you are i'd like to hear from you and im sure others would to.

I'll start:

My names Brooke, im 15 I have one horse, Abbi. She's an australian stock horse type, 12 yr's old. Abbi was pretty dominant and pushy when i got her but she's alot better now.

I went to the celibration in Australia in Sydney i think it was march 09, and thats what really got me into parelli.

Abbi and I are currently just playing around with lots of ground work and some riding with her just playing with different obsticals, jumps, tarps, bending poles and barrels etc.

Hope to here from some parelli enthusiasts. :D
 
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#2 ·
I have just started with horses and like the Parelli Program because for someone like me who knows nothing, it is presented well and I am getting excellent results between myself and my horse.

I like structure and routine, I raised my kids on Gina Ford's Contented Baby books! Now there is a contentious issue for ya!!
 
#3 ·
First I think Pat Parelli's program is an excellent learning material. It's the best I've seen so far because pretty much anyone can learn it if they want to and there is a huge emphasis on not boring, abusing or otherwise torturing your horse. The program puts a very good foundation on the horse for a trainer and gets them prepared for any finishing work. I am not a professional because I refuse to take money when I help people out. I've coached, mentored, and trained other people's horses and having said that there are probably 50 so called professionals here that will take your money but only 3 that are worth hiring. In fact, of the so called professionals most of them could benefit hugely by actually studying Pat's program before they start bashing it. Parelli is just good horsemanship and yes there are other horseman out there that are also good like Cinton Anderson, Stacey Westfall, John Lyons, and I could probably name more.

Oh yes although I still look young I'm not and I have been riding for over 40 years and have been breaking/starting horses for 30 years... so that's my two cents worth :)
 
#4 ·
Brooke it's nice to meet you. Just because you're young doesn't mean that your not good and just because you're an amateur doesn't mean that you're a beginner. That's probably what you mean - that you're not a beginner but who cares what does that matter.... sheesh

I've got quite a few horses so I'll list say three:

Quarter horse foundation type LBI with RBE tendencies. She's gorgeous stocky horse and will end up being a nice riding horse for my hubby.

Appaloosa/Mustang cross who is LBE with RBE tendencies. She is so pretty with all her stripes and also has a dorsal stripe. She's got some real interesting color. She has been so fun to start and is progressing very well. She's got some pretty good movement.

Hanoverian who is pretty stunning bay with lots of chrome. The most challenging horse I own extreme LBI and extreme RBI but is really all over the map. He would probably a very excellent hunter as he's got the looks and has great form over the fences. But I like dressage and so that's pretty much what we do but we do it naturally.

BTW the Parelli program is for beginners, the experienced, the professional, and for the performance athlete: it is a program that has many types of people not just focused on beginners.
 
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A friend of mine gave me her level 1 and 2 parelli dvd's, i watched a little bit on disk one, but it was mostly just Linda talking about using the carrot stick and string, then i got really busy and i haven't had time to finish watching them, I'm planning to come spring so i can put what i learn to good use.
A little about me, I'm 25, i got my first 2 horses(Blue and Tiffany) when i was 12,which is basically when i started riding,They were sold to us as 15-16 years old, but ended up they were 20-25 , Tiffany was put down about 6-7 years ago, she had a large abdominal tumor, and Blue is still going strong at 33-38, we do light bareback rides around the pasture, he taught me everything i know, he's a great horse, he's very barn/ring and buddy sour, but at his age we don't even ride out of the pasture anymore. a few months before we lost Tiffany i was given a horse named Skip, he would have benefited from parelli, he's a crazy bucker/rearer/bolter, i had him for 2 years, i gave him to a friend who could have a trainer work with her, then she gave him away again and i thought the worst until a few weeks ago when i found him at the place i just started taking lessons at...
Back in the end of may i rescued an OTTB Bella(Alyrunj is her registered name), she will be 14 in june, she is a great horse, but she does seem to have some issues(cow kicking when you are on her and she doesn't want to move).
My last horse is Legacy, he is a leopard appy in his late teens-20's, also a rescue, he's a huge chicken, terribly ear shy, will rear and strike when he gets scared(TERRIFIED OF THE CARROT STICK) and does not trust anyone behind his flank, having his feet done the first time was interesting, although he's better now, we tried to have a massage done on him because he is horribly tight and all the could do was his face, a little on his neck, shoulders and chest...he will be the one i really work with parelli on, it would really help if i had a history on him lol Sorry this is so long, i tend to ramble late at night when i'm tired lol, it's really nice to meet you all, i see a lot of bashing going on about parelli so i'm always a bit hesitant to ask questions in regards to his methods
 
#6 ·
Hi Rachel nice to meet you. Cow kicking when you're on her now that's talent :)
Do you ground drive her before riding? Your appy sounds like a typical victim of abuse. Sometimes just giving them time to observe you really helps and not doing much of anything for a while. Remember to do lots of approach and retreat.

It sounds like you've got the old levels DVD. The newer ones are, well I don't know if better is the right word they are different. The old ones are harder to get through because it's kind of boring and takes forever to watch. But if you have no experience with horses I think they are good because it's broken down into such detail that someone can learn from it. The new DVDs are a little faster in teaching the material and I think for most people it's better.

It sounds like you've got a few horses to keep you entertained!
 
#7 ·
Remember to do lots of approach and retreat.
this is something i've always wondered when i hear a parelli say this, do you all know exactly when to approach and when to retreat? or are you just doing it at regular intervals?

because unless your "approaching" when your horse is "retreating", and your "retreating" when your horse is "approaching" (applies to everything when it comes to horses, it's the theory of pressure/release also known as negative reinforcment) there is no point at all and your creating unconfidence in the horse.
 
#9 ·
It will never cease to amaze me how to some, a lack of respect and training equates to the horse had to be abused at some point.

I think just like any other program, there are a few good tidbits that are worth learning, but it is not the "end all be all" of horse learning. And though it may work with some horses, it certainly won't work with all.
 
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Let me get this right:
You're 17 years old, autistic and you make "tons of money" with horses. You studied Pat's program and learned lots of what you know but it wasn't the program that taught you because "the program" is mostly BS - right. Oh yes I won't forget this one - you don't know what roundpenning is but you watched a few of Pat's DVDs. Well I'm convinced that you are a hugely skilled horseman - not. You think because I mention approach and retreat I am doing something wrong... thanks Christopher good luck making "lots of money with horses" as I know there a virtually no people that earn tons of money with horses. Here I'll give you a simple business lesson so that it'll help you determine what you actually earn:

(Add up all the money you collect) - (Add up all your expenses ) = the net revenue

Still making lots of money...
 
#16 ·
Loved one-difference is others are not obnoxious about their approach to others. I find your attitude quite typical of what I HATE about Parelli-ites. Unfortunately, I think that even tho there are relatively few like you, it is like the old saying...."one bad apple..". Totally turns me off to PP and his cult like followers. I think that is what turns so many others off too. You have NO tolerance at all, and act like you are the be-all end-of of the horsey world. Well-here is a news flash-you are not, and neither is PP. You may like his DvD's-great! many of us find them extremely BORING.....ZZZZZZZ!!!!! Yes, he does have some good techniques, but so do others.
And-BTW-I agree with Apachie-the horse may well be fearful, but I think he is also disrepectful, and for sure lacks training! JMHO. And yeah-I read it, and paid attention. Thanks. We will all have to be more careful of our every word in the presence of "the perfect one".
Get over yourself.
 
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Actually, if YOU were paying attention when YOU read, you would note that (a) I have 2 horses. (b) the one I was "unable" to teach the games to, is semi-retired and now 22 yrs old. He doesn't see the point, and neither do I. The other, one the other hand, is actually AT a Parelli barn, and is pretty good at the games. Thanks.

Secondly, again, if you paid attention, I do not have any "idols". I believe they ALL have something to offer, and every horse needs different "tools". I prefer to keep my mind open to all of them, rather than shutting it behind PP.:wink:
 
#19 ·
That's because none of them have created anything new :wink:

They each just package their program slightly differently and to different demographics.

Ray Hunt, Tom and Bill Dorrance... those are the real fathers of 'natural' horsemanship. Nothing any of the big name clinicians are doing is new.
 
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I don't know what you have against me FranknBeans but from the moment I joined this forum you have insulted me again and again. I do not appreciate your comments about shutting behind PP whatever that means lol. I am not hateful towards any clinician. In fact, I do have an open mind but it is you that is so very hateful towards Parelli and the only reason I can see is because you were unable to teach it and that some people have made you upset. Now I think it is you that needs to grow up a bit.

Yeah Parelli is nothing new we did much of it in the 70s and the other NH clinicians are doing pretty much the same stuff too. I always laugh when I hear things like I hate Parelli but love Clinton Anderson ... like why.
 
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I always laugh when I hear things like I hate Parelli but love Clinton Anderson ... like why.
Can not say I love CA but at least he has proven what he dose works in front of and among his piers by an independent judge.
 
#22 ·
One more time, just for those with reading comprehension issues-I do not hate Parelli, nor do I idolize or love anyone else. Yes, I prefer CA, since he also shows how to handle typical things that can go wrong when training many horses, whereas, PP does not. If I hated PP, would I be at a PP barn, working with a PP certified instructor?
What I dislike are the Parelli followers who can resemble cult members. Plain and simple.
So that you understand my reference, I remain to practitioners. That means that PP is not the only one I listen to, shutting out all others.
Sorry my "attitude" annoys you. This is a forum, and you are not my mother, nor may you insult me or any other woman by calling me a "housewife" via PM. Really?
 
#23 ·
One more time, just for those with reading comprehension issues-I do not hate Parelli, nor do I idolize or love anyone else. Yes, I prefer CA, since he also shows how to handle typical things that can go wrong when training many horses, whereas, PP does not. If I hated PP, would I be at a PP barn, working with a PP certified instructor?
What I dislike are the Parelli followers who can resemble cult members. Plain and simple.
So that you understand my reference, I remain to practitioners. That means that PP is not the only one I listen to, shutting out all others.
Sorry my "attitude" annoys you. This is a forum, and you are not my mother, nor may you insult me or any other woman by calling me a "housewife" via PM. Really?

I agree. I started with PP and loved it but once I was introduced to CA I took my horse to a whole new level. I thik CA is a better teacher. Every time he teaches you something he shows you what might go wrong and explains how to correct it. PP always seems to work with well trained horses that seem to already know is methods at least on his levels 1-4 dvd's I'v seen a couple videos on his "members only" page where he is working with a green horse but I really had to search. Whereas CA seems to always work with green horses. I do feel both teach basically the same thing I just think you will accomplish your goal faster and with less guessing and questions using CA....just my opinion :)
 
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I have been trying to decide on a good hosemanship series and I am thinking really hard about getting this one. It is just so much money to pay that I want to be sure... I am glad that you started this thead.. am looking forward to the input!
 
#28 ·
I have not studied CA in great depth and think that it's great that he's helping you achieve your goals NRHAREINER. Your comments are interesting. But I do have to say that PP does also compete and has been competing I think working cow and such type events. He is also competing at the Road to the Horse and in the past has won many colt starting competitions. I have also seen him handle young greenies but yes he says himself that he doesn't want to show you what things look like when they go wrong. Instead he wants to show how things look when they're done right. So I guess it's a different philosophy.

I think what his levels program does is teach what you need to know in an organized manner with a lot of structure. I think it's a good format for a lot people from beginners to people that have holes in their knowledge and to people that are curious about what it's all about. For me I already practiced much of it but I also discovered holes in my process for starting horses. It changed my approach in some ways but overall as I say this is nothing new but I still did learn from him.
 
#30 ·
I have not studied CA in great depth and think that it's great that he's helping you achieve your goals NRHAREINER.

Never said CA was helping me achieve my goals. That is what a real trainer is for not some DVD Trainer.


Your comments are interesting. But I do have to say that PP does also compete and has been competing I think working cow and such type events.

Ya if you can actually call that competing.

He is also competing at the Road to the Horse and in the past has won many colt starting competitions.

Again that is not competing that is a bunch of clinicians showing off for their followers.

I have also seen him handle young greenies but yes he says himself that he doesn't want to show you what things look like when they go wrong. Instead he wants to show how things look when they're done right. So I guess it's a different philosophy.

Thing is if people do not see what to do when things go wrong then they will not know what to do to fix it. Seeing things go correctly does nothing to help fix things.
Ex: I can know a horse is turning wrong all day long. However if I do not know how to fix that problem it will not help knowing it is wrong. I need to see how to fix what is wrong.


I think what his levels program does is teach what you need to know in an organized manner with a lot of structure. I think it's a good format for a lot people from beginners to people that have holes in their knowledge and to people that are curious about what it's all about. For me I already practiced much of it but I also discovered holes in my process for starting horses. It changed my approach in some ways but overall as I say this is nothing new but I still did learn from him.
Problem is is that system does not work for every horse in every situation and every person. Yet PP seems to like to market as it does. It is find to use bits and pieces to help fill in areas where needed. However no program will fill every hole.
 
#33 ·
Here is just anouther example of my problem with PP. At the top of this page there is an add banner. "revolutionary new training method."

Really new??
 
#35 ·
I have not read the entire forum because it turned into pointing fingers and making fun but I did read where people started to talk about how PP and CA were the same things- I have to disagree. I love CA's methods, granted I have yet to follow his entire program because I use some of his and some of my own and Martha Josey.... a little of everything...whatever I want really lol, but anyways I always thought Clinton Anderson got you there (as in got yourr horse where you want it) with a lot less bumps, he will tell you what to do if your horse rebels or doesn't do what your asking. I have never heard Parelli do that and I have watched several videos on youtube and on tv (no DVDs or Clinics, so Im no guru when it comes to PP) I think PP is more fun and play and "be one with your horse" and Clinton Anderson is more "you ask, then you tell, eventually you only have to suggest" and yeah I like playing with my horse but I seriously didn't find those "games" on PP fun..... Seemed like a nice way of saying lets exhaust you and your horse in a nice way.

Anywho, before I offend anyone I just wanted to say I think they are kinda similar yes, but not the same at all CA seems more serious, better explained and user friendly.

And I have heard of people getting rude PMs. If I do, I will report you, you need to grow up.
 
#38 ·
Good post. The games are fun, and I do them when I have lots of extra time or cannot ride that day for some reason. I do not tend to do the "play days" etc. They are similar because they both use tried and true methods, IMO. And I totally agree that CA is more "user friendly". He also does do "real" showing too, which, to me, adds credibility.
Tabbi-the Catwalk video has been hashed over on a previous thread.
 
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