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post #21 of 98 Old 11-04-2010, 05:53 PM
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Hmm if you want this horse a pleasure horse then go for it,

I don't think its true that you can only get a lot of Finesse with a bit, its how you train your horse not whats in its mouth!

Example: if you train your horse real CUES to round up and deliver from behind (by teaching it that when you add leg pressure to both sides its to deliver from its rear to beguin with) rather than to have its jaw jerked inwards to sorta 'disengage' the fore and to be pushed into the bit to engage the hind.

Its up to you.
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post #22 of 98 Old 11-05-2010, 09:55 PM
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Well, Spirit Bridle does release pressure while maintaining soft consistent contact...and creates lateral/longitudinal flexion of the poll.
Spirit Bridle can also prevent rearing, bucking, but not crow hopping.
To think that I wasted the last 20 years learning how to train a horse not to buck and rear when all I needed was a bitless bridle!

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post #23 of 98 Old 11-05-2010, 10:41 PM
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Kevin.

Always remember that feeling of looking at a big, open country over the ears of a good horse, seeing a new trail unwind ahead of you, and that ever-spectacular view from the top of the ridge!!! Follow my training blog: http://robertsontraining.blogspot.com/
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post #24 of 98 Old 11-06-2010, 11:00 PM
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To think that I wasted the last 20 years learning how to train a horse not to buck and rear when all I needed was a bitless bridle!
Well you cannot read, because that is not what I said.....

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post #25 of 98 Old 11-06-2010, 11:05 PM
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I concede you're right!


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post #26 of 98 Old 11-06-2010, 11:16 PM
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I think bitless is an awesome way to go. I ride both my horses with rope halters or a hackamore sidepull type bridles, but neck rein. I think the relationship and connection with the horse to where they are sensitive to a soft feel is the greatest thing.

I can have my horse to a full gallop or manuvering through the bush with a rope halter and they are totally responsive and obedient to my slightest pressures. Even if spooked or startled...they are totally confident in my leadership and a bit has nothing to do with helping them be under better control.

I rode a guest ranch horse recently with a bridle and it was so desensitized that the hardest pull on the bridle meant nothing to it. It was horrible. I know that bits can be used properly, just like spurs....with very light touches and feel.

Like I always say, your connection with your horse starts on the ground....eye to eye...heart to heart.

-Only my horse gets away with touching my hat or stepping on my boots!!

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post #27 of 98 Old 11-07-2010, 01:11 AM
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But Kevin, sometimes it's just so much fun to poke at things with a stick .

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To think that I wasted the last 20 years learning how to train a horse not to buck and rear when all I needed was a bitless bridle!
I know, right? LOL.

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Well you cannot read, because that is not what I said.....
Funny, because that's sure what is written....VV

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Well, Spirit Bridle does release pressure while maintaining soft consistent contact...and creates lateral/longitudinal flexion of the poll.
Spirit Bridle can also prevent rearing, bucking, but not crow hopping.
One thing I was wondering about though; how can it stop a buck but not a crow hop. I mean, after all, a crow hop is nothing more than a watered down buck.

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post #28 of 98 Old 11-07-2010, 01:58 PM
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I personally swear by the freedom bridle by mossrockendurance. They are wonderful and extremely versatile. The contact feels more seamless than the dr. Cook as well. I sold my dr. Cook for this bridle and it was a great decision.

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post #29 of 98 Old 11-07-2010, 06:27 PM
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I ride both with a snaffle bit & in a rope hackamore. I prefer to ride in the ropehackamore. I feel If I need stopping control I would use my Rope Hackamore. To stop, my horses respond first to weight distribution and secondly to the pull on the reins. The bit - I use on organised trail rides as most of them stipulate you must have a bit in your horses mouth. Im not into dressage or anything but I do believe you can obtain a beautiful light feel in a rope hackamore and round your horse up nicely too - it may more take time to train them this way but my own horses are much happier. JMHO

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It doesn't matter what you ride with bit, bitless, or nothing at all. Horses learn from the release of pressure. Really you can train a horse to ride with just about whatever you want. That's why there are a million different things out there that people have come up with. They all have pros and cons. Just pick which you like the best and go for it. Think about it a fly lands on your horse and he shakes to to get rid of the fly, now that is very very little pressure. So technically speaking a fly can train a horse just by touching it.

Now why didn't I think of that earlier, flies are natural. And natural horsemanship is getting really popular. Heck, another million dollar idea. Now don't anybody go stealing my idea of riding with flies, I got to go make a million. Hahaha J/K
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