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post #71 of 93 Old 03-12-2014, 12:00 AM
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^Yes Daniel, I think we can all agree with that. In principle at least. But there is a lot of equipment designed to cause sharp discomfort/pain, equipment that is easier to cause accidental pain with... not to mention the many poor 'hands'. That is why, for eg. I will only start a horse AND/OR rider with a halter or soft, true Jaquima (thanks fort for reminding me what the real ones are called!). Only once the horse is well enough trained **& the hands on the reins are well enough trained, do I move to a bit.
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post #72 of 93 Old 03-13-2014, 10:31 PM
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You're right and that makes since. But if it was a gun we were talking about then it would be the gun that is the problem.
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I LOVE my hackamore, and so does my horse.
He goes better in this than anything else I have tried. :)
My mare really likes it too! In her bit, she often overreacted to cues or corrections. I got her teeth floated on Tuesday this week, but I think we will continue to use the bosal because she really responds well to it. She has a calmer response to corrections, especially.
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The Doctor Cook bitless bridle is basically an English bridle (looks like it has a bit even, but doesn't!). It crosses the reins under the chin, and gives a bit more control than a classic English hackamore, but is less severe than a Western hackamore with the shanks, in my experience. Good luck!
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I have one and my more dose not like the Dr Cook style. Its a shame because mine is so purdy XD!
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I have one and my more dose not like the Dr Cook style. Its a shame because mine is so purdy XD!
Wow, interesting! Did you figure out why she didn't like it? I know some horses have problems with it if their teeth get too long, but accept it just fine after the next floating. I'm curious as to what other issues are out there! Just a horse by horse scenario or something specific?

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You're right and that makes since. But if it was a gun we were talking about then it would be the gun that is the problem.
Yeah, "Guns don't kill people...." But they sure help!
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I have one and my more dose not like the Dr Cook style. Its a shame because mine is so purdy XD!
I had a Dr. Cook's as well, but my horse prefers the bosal. I think the release isn't as instant in the Dr. C's.
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post #79 of 93 Old 03-30-2014, 09:14 PM
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Wow, interesting! Did you figure out why she didn't like it?...Just a horse by horse scenario or something specific?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I tried a similar design and my horse seemed to dislike having her head squeezed with wrap around pressure. I've seen a lot of folks who say they tried a Dr Cook design and it did not work with their horse. They can also be slow to release pressure.

And for me, I simply dislike Dr Cook and his insistence that bits are cruel and work on pain.
"The Bitless Bridle provides a humane alternative to the Bronze Age technology of the bit. Unlike the bit, no pain is inflicted. Your horse is free from fear, listens more attentively, breathes more freely, and moves more gracefully...In common with all bitted bridles, the traditional bitless bridles are pain-based in their mechanism."
The Bitless Bridle by Dr. Robert Cook, FRCVS, Ph.D., a humane alternative to the bit

That is simply poppycock. I write that as someone who spent 3 years riding bitless before switching to bits, and whose mare REALLY started to calm and relax after switching her to a curb bit.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I tried a similar design and my horse seemed to dislike having her head squeezed with wrap around pressure. I've seen a lot of folks who say they tried a Dr Cook design and it did not work with their horse. They can also be slow to release pressure.

And for me, I simply dislike Dr Cook and his insistence that bits are cruel and work on pain.
"The Bitless Bridle provides a humane alternative to the Bronze Age technology of the bit. Unlike the bit, no pain is inflicted. Your horse is free from fear, listens more attentively, breathes more freely, and moves more gracefully...In common with all bitted bridles, the traditional bitless bridles are pain-based in their mechanism."
The Bitless Bridle by Dr. Robert Cook, FRCVS, Ph.D., a humane alternative to the bit

That is simply poppycock. I write that as someone who spent 3 years riding bitless before switching to bits, and whose mare REALLY started to calm and relax after switching her to a curb bit.
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