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  • My horse turns her bum at me puts ears back but takes treats

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    01-11-2012, 08:33 PM
  #11
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Originally Posted by LuckyRVT    
I agree. I don't think its pain, I think its that she thinks every time I go to her I am going to halter her up and ride/train her. And she is a "fatty" and loves her grass and doesnt like to be taken away from it. A while back she pinned her ears and turned her butt to me. I took her immediately tied her up so she couldnt eat and made her work. When she did it yesterday I told her to quit it and stuck with her hopfully showing her that just because you do that doesnt mean im going to give up. After awhile of being in the pasture just rubbing on her and letting her walk away and coming up to her again it seemed to improve. How would you fix the problem? She doesnt fully respect me yet(obviously)...still working on the training with that.. My friend said her horse did that to her when she started out, and after working with him and "loving" him before she haltered him, he learned it was ok.
I think it's ok to love on your horse a bit before you put the halter on. I do that usually, also it helps to set the mood that I am not afraid of or expecting that he will run away from me, so it's ok for me to pet himgivehim a cookie, scratch him a bit, THEN put the halter on.

As for her pinning her ears or turning her butt to you, I would change instantly from approaching with a nice guy attitude, to one of "don't you dare swing your butt at me" . I would drive that butt away firmly and quickly. She'll run away for a bit, but you just stand for a bit, then return to walking up to her. If she's good, go up and pet her and walk away a few times. If she pins her ears or turns her butt to you, drive her away! Being driven away will make her rethink being near you. I know it sounds wierd, but it works.
     
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    01-11-2012, 08:36 PM
  #12
Foal
Ok yes gaining respect...i know respect is a big thing, working on that. So if I walk out to get her, she pins her ears..use the rope and get her away from me? OR....? how long will I have to do this to see improvement? @kait18 I only work with her 2-3 times a week, its winter and she is 30 mins away, and I work 10 hour days. Im ok with getting blasted, I just want people to tell me how to fix the problem. Because I know it can get outta control. I work in the vet field and I know you some times have to be "rough" with them and assertive. So have at it if your horse did this what exactly would you do?
     
    01-11-2012, 08:37 PM
  #13
Banned
I personally wouldn't run the horse off, as that's the horses goal anyway to get you to go away. I'd attach the lead rope and give her a whack for still having ears pinned. When the ears relax she can be praised.
     
    01-11-2012, 08:38 PM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
Responses like mine are the reason why you should have put this in the NH section of the board.

Take a deep breathe - if my horse pins its ears at me, he gets a good solid whack! He just gave me the horse equivalent of the middle figure, and that doesn't fly with me.
Best analogy yet! I get so frustrated with it because I know its a problem...it is like the middle finger.
     
    01-11-2012, 08:41 PM
  #15
Showing
I have on occasion gone to grab my horse and his herd mates are pinning their ears at me. I don't ignore them. Instead I growl and my body language turns into "move it or you'll be sorry" and they do. But the off chance they don't, I make them move, I turn up the heat. As soon as they do, my body language softens and I give them a reward by giving them a little space.

I never let a horse pin their ears and get away with it. Even if I have to get up and personal.. because if you let them get away with it.. it just gets so much worse.
     
    01-11-2012, 08:41 PM
  #16
Weanling
Amber was doing this after she came back from a lameness issue. Real grouch.

I made it clear to her that she would do what I asked her willingly, or she would have an even harder time and end up doing it anyway. And know what? She started looking a lot happier to see me - and it didn't take too long!

I would ignore it but insist she do what you ask. Don't let her get away with things because you're trying to "be nice" and have "love time". If the ear pinning turns into a bite or a kick threat, you probably will think this is horrid, but just smack her without any emotion and go on about what you're doing. It works really well. Horses are happiest and feel most secure when they have a leader handling them - an "alpha" - to make them feel secure and to give them direction, as would the leader in a herd.
     
    01-11-2012, 08:43 PM
  #17
Foal
When I get her head up (sometimes with a tap with my foot) and the halter on she stops pinning she knows its business time. The "pin" is not long a few seconds. And usually when I am walking up to get her or when I first touch her and as soon as she realizes that she will put her head up or that all I am doing is petting her it stops, its not prolonged. And thank you for moving my post
     
    01-11-2012, 08:44 PM
  #18
Foal
Im newer here and have no idea how to do that. IDK what NH area is...so im going to go find out.
     
    01-11-2012, 08:45 PM
  #19
Foal
I think that the hard part is that we think the horse will love us if we pet, groom, feed treats, spend time with, etc. However, the horse will usually love his strong leader. All the other stuff is fun for us and I'm sure the horse enjoys it too, but the horse needs someone to be the boss. I'm quickly learning this. Every ride, I'm getting tougher and more dominant. He did some little temper tantrum hopping as we headed out on the trail today, but instead of getting uptight about it, I was like "oh no buddy, we are going!" I got him out the gate and we had our ride. I would like to hug my horse all day (he's very teddy bear like), but after a bit, he's like "ok lady, get out of my coral and let me eat!" :) Good luck with your horse!
     
    01-11-2012, 08:49 PM
  #20
Foal
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Originally Posted by DressageIsToDance    
Amber was doing this after she came back from a lameness issue. Real grouch.

I made it clear to her that she would do what I asked her willingly, or she would have an even harder time and end up doing it anyway. And know what? She started looking a lot happier to see me - and it didn't take too long!

I would ignore it but insist she do what you ask. Don't let her get away with things because you're trying to "be nice" and have "love time". If the ear pinning turns into a bite or a kick threat, you probably will think this is horrid, but just smack her without any emotion and go on about what you're doing. It works really well. Horses are happiest and feel most secure when they have a leader handling them - an "alpha" - to make them feel secure and to give them direction, as would the leader in a herd.
I wanted her to stay and not walk away so I grabbed her mane and went with her. Also when she wouldnt put her head up I kept pressure on her mane and gave her a tap on the chin with my toe. Or kept pressure on her halter when she wouldnt come forward and released pressure when she did. "stuck with it" and she stopped eventually. So is that the kind of insisting you are referring to? And how would you make it harder if you had no lead rope no halter on her?
     

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