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    04-30-2012, 08:46 AM
  #41
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Back2Horseback    
I'm VERY new to watching ALL of these NH folks...like, only in the past month or so did I realize we have RFD-TV(!), so I try to catch each of the various trainers whenever possible, just see what they/their methods are all about. You can never be too informed, even if it's bad information, it teaches you what not to do, if you disagree with what you are learning!

Regarding CA, overall I have leaned toward liking him more than not liking him. That said, it certainly gives me pause reading the story above (I think by Army Wife?) where she discussed her friend seeing him whip a horse to make it appear fearful, only so he could later "cure" it in front of an audience. I understand precisely why she believed this piece of info, in that oneknows when their source is a constant exaggerating "gossip" vs. someone who always speaks the truth w/o exaggerating.

Further, I tend to think it could be true because while watching his show, I have had this weird "sense" I suppose, that he gets really uptight, specifically when it appears the horse may not be "getting his message" quickly enough for the audience? He appears to get uptight to the point that at times when he is having the owner lunging the horse while he instructs the owner on what to do, it seems like he suddenly does a bunch of very loud, fast talking, shouting out quick commands, (thrown out much too fast for anyone new to the technique to follow), on purpose, in attempt to agitate the owner a bit, to possibly make them feel insecure...maybe in attempt to make the owner "look bad" compared to him, thus taking the focus off of the fact that the horse isn't responding either quickly enough, or exactly in the manner he said it would, or whatever.

Anyone else notice this? Get this "feeling" maybe? I ask because I could be way off, (as I tend to be watching these shows just as I am waking up for work). I'm a night shift nurse, so I wake up to start my "day" around 7pm, and at that time I might just still be half-asleep.
When the owners are not listening and just puttzing around when CA is trying to teach them how to work with the horse, he is trying to push them to respond. I LOVE how he starts with the "get in there, point, swing your arms, MAKE HIM MOVE..."

He's trying to get the point across how important it is to match the horses response with either a correction or reward immediately so the horse gets the point easier.
     
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    04-30-2012, 09:44 AM
  #42
Yearling
Like I said, I wont watch his stuff. Possibly out of a little stubborn streak I have ;) Mostly because I know and trust very much the source so why waste my time watching something that is not right in my book. To each his own!
     
    04-30-2012, 12:31 PM
  #43
Yearling
Regarding Faydes'comment, I get the need for the immediate correction, but with things moving so fast, and him many times dealing with people somewhat new to horses, or at least new to how to correct their horse's actions (or they wouldn't need him!), & I feel badly for these folks @ times, because they desperately WANT TO do what he is asking, but learning for horses AND HUMANS happens on a curve, and SOME FOLKS simply cannot keep up when a thousand things are shouted at them @ once. This does the horse no good and upsets some owners on the show to the point of tears. At that point, it is MY opinion only that both horse and owner would be better served if he stepped in and did the immediate corrections, just until the owner grasps EXACTLY what its expected of them...
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    05-06-2012, 08:19 PM
  #44
Foal
I know of an instance where PP beat on a horse out the back of the barn at lunchtime then handed it back to the owner so called (fixed).
I also know of an instance where PP thought no one was watching and whacked a horse, lucky the rider was a bronc rider!!
A friend of mine who is a very good trainer and has represented her country in endurance, was not allowed to progress with the PP method. (maybe fear she would show them up). Different strokes for different folks, and its not about this one or that one. What works for you. As an aside, I have had a trainer at my place and watched him get stuck into a horse, but the situation was him or the horse, and I would think that most trainer would say, "do what it takes to get the job done"
     
    05-06-2012, 08:25 PM
  #45
Foal
I am a teacher, and sometimes when it has to be NOW!!! It has to be NOW! For the safety of rider/handler and horse. If as a trainer I see qa situation where someone (horse or handler) is about to get hurt, I will shout too.
     
    05-06-2012, 09:04 PM
  #46
Super Moderator
I only know very little of CA and so I am making an opinion based on an impression, really. I watched last year's Road to the Horse. His approach was very intense and aggressive. He tends to make the "wrong" thing SO awful for the horse that the horse is not allowed much time to think aobut making the "right" choice. Clinton leaves very little openning for the horse. It must go through a very narrow openning, I mean in a mental sense. Some horse do well with that, but others get over faced. They loose all enjoyment in working because they are never "asked" to make a choice. They are chased into the turns before the handler can see if the horse will agree to making a turn on his own.

This is just an impression based on not a ton of watching, so I could change my opinion upon viewing more, maybe.
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    05-07-2012, 01:28 AM
  #47
Foal
Monty Roberts, Buck brannigan, Clinton Anderson, Pat Parelli, John Lyons, Neill Davies, Ray Hunt, etc etc, who cares, as long as you get what you need out of a clinician, and can csrry it on at home that's the true test.
I have seen many a person go to a clinic have a great clinic and get lots fixed then go to put thier horse on the float and forget everything they have just been taught and go back to thier old habits. The one thing I will say about CA at least there is something you can refer back to. I still use a bit from everyone.
     
    05-07-2012, 08:53 PM
  #48
Started
I actually just had a clinic at my barn with a John Lyons trainer, it was pretty simple!
     
    05-07-2012, 09:44 PM
  #49
Foal
Yes I have used a bit of John Lyons stuff and like all of them if you are cosistent with your training, they all work.
Glad you got something out of it.
     

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