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    06-28-2012, 12:33 AM
  #11
Yearling
Ok, my phone is being slow, so I'm just going to reply normally. lol

Oldhorselady: Ok, I just wanted to make sure that you know the method. It drives me crazy when people hate on the method (not saying that you were ) when they don't know it (again, not saying that you don't). Lol and like I said, I have met that ONE horse that I just can't use the stick on. So, I just use the lead rope. It works just as well. that's what I had to do before I got a stick. Let me tell you though, I think that the stick is magic it straightens horses out AND helps pry car doors open! (And my siblings never misbehave when its in sight )
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    06-28-2012, 12:50 AM
  #12
Trained
I enjoy the fact that everything boils down to the same pieces. There is no massive complex encyclopedia. Two eyes, move their feet, get their respect...And everything just falls into place. I has really worked well for all the horses I have ever used it on because it corms down to herd dynamics and you become the herd leader and then the horse trusts you to be that leader. I reccomend it to everyone.
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    06-28-2012, 06:06 AM
  #13
Green Broke
I've learned most of his methods for groundwork. I've used them on all of our horses and some on others horses. I haven't come across one that they don't work on.

I have worked with a couple of horses that were very sensitive like those that can't use a stick with. One I would just touch with my hand just to rub and he would take off. I just did more desensitizing with them to show them that they don't need to be afraid of it.

However, if and when I do use a stick, they know I mean business. They do listen better.
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    06-28-2012, 07:46 AM
  #14
Trained
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Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    

I agree.....I know the method and it worked great on one of my other horses. It was the sight of the stick alone that sent my mare over the edge more less tapping the air....lol.
you are skipping a step ! Before and after you use any tools with your horse you want to make them feel comfortable with them. I don't want my horse to move over because he is afraid of my stick or rope or hand. Get your horse used to being touched with the stick all over her body while staying calm and relaxed before you try to get her to move away from it.
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    06-28-2012, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
you are skipping a step ! Before and after you use any tools with your horse you want to make them feel comfortable with them. I don't want my horse to move over because he is afraid of my stick or rope or hand. Get your horse used to being touched with the stick all over her body while staying calm and relaxed before you try to get her to move away from it.
I agree and understand gypsygirl.....for this particular horse though, Parelli was the method for her. Rather than having her go through mental termoil with the tapping motion for whatever reason she did, just using the stick in a different way made all the difference. The Parelli method just worked better with her for some reason.....she just felt left threatened. But I have used CA method and it worked well. Same basic concept, just different approach.
     
    06-28-2012, 02:20 PM
  #16
Trained
That makes no sense to me, a lot of the ground work is quite similar and the stick is the same... not every horse reacts the same so you may have to increase the pressure more slowly or quickly, but it really shouldnt matter CA or parelli. They have a different way to teach the same basics.
     
    06-28-2012, 05:09 PM
  #17
Green Broke
Have to agree with you on that gypsygirl. Same principles but different ways of teaching them. Also using the same tools.

Oldhorselady - there are several reasons why your horse could be reacting to the stick. All come from using the stick incorrectly.

She could be afraid of the stick. Someone may have used it too harshly with her.

It could be something she has learned. Maybe someone trained her by whacking her in the first place to get her to move, instead of asking with slight pressure first. So she learned that when she sees the stick, she should be moving.

It could be that everytime they brought the stick out, she got spooky and removed the stick while she was spooky. That just rewards her behavior to acting out with the stick.

If she's not afraid of you and you can swing a rope, she can get used to the stick. The stick isn't just a tool. It's an extension of you and should only be used to reinforce what you are asking.
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    06-28-2012, 05:15 PM
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All I am saying is that swinging the stick as compared to tapping the stick made all the difference to her. So why torture her by tapping when swinging did just fine.....same lesson, just different approach.
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    06-28-2012, 08:09 PM
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Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
All I am saying is that swinging the stick as compared to tapping the stick made all the difference to her. So why torture her by tapping when swinging did just fine.....same lesson, just different approach.
I guess I misunderstood. I was responding to your other post:
" It was the sight of the stick alone that sent my mare over the edge ".

Swinging and tapping shouldn't have different responses though.
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    06-28-2012, 10:09 PM
  #20
Yearling
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Originally Posted by usandpets    
I guess I misunderstood. I was responding to your other post:
" It was the sight of the stick alone that sent my mare over the edge ".

Swinging and tapping shouldn't have different responses though.
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That's what I thought, too... Once I was training an OTQH who was abused. I got him desensitized to the stick, but, could never use it on him, no matter what I tried. It was the same thing with a riding crop or dressage whip. He hated them! So, instead of putting him through the anxiety, I just used the rope. He wasn't my horse, so, I was just going to take it easier on him.
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