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    07-20-2011, 05:20 PM
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Clinton Anderson uses Rollkur :(

I just thought I should let you guys know that I found out that Clinton Anderson uses Rollkur as he was using it in some of his instructional Dvd's my friend lent me and on a young horse no less! :( I thought I liked him when I had seen his liberty demonstration with Mindy (Who I'm in love with!!) but now have lost all respect for him! He also promotes shock collars as well! I can't believe he would promote rollkur and shock collars! This saddens me as there is another one out there promoting it unfortunatley.
     
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    07-20-2011, 05:23 PM
  #2
Showing
Since he's a Western rider and doesn't ride dressage, I'm not sure how he could be using rollkur.

I don't know anything about shock collars or what he does or doesn't promote, since I don't 'do' any of the NH gurus.
     
    07-20-2011, 05:28 PM
  #3
Started
Which series is it?
     
    07-20-2011, 05:30 PM
  #4
Trained
Can you give an example of how he uses rollkur please ?
     
    07-20-2011, 05:42 PM
  #5
Banned


Clinton Anderson - WEG

I watched Clinton Anderson warming his horse up before a demonstration. I was absolutely appalled by his riding: it was a very hot day (at least 85 degrees), he rode his horse in an extreme rollkur frame and cantered his horse for about 40 minutes without giving it a break.
This is not horsemanship. This is cruelty.








I really can't stand the way he rides. His horses are terrified of contact.
     
    07-20-2011, 05:46 PM
  #6
Super Moderator
I have to somewhat agree. There is often a feeling of harshness and abruptness in how he works horses. Not my cup of tea. I guess I should not say much , seeing as how I really don't know that much of his methods. Have only watched a few videos but got that impression right away.
     
    07-20-2011, 05:46 PM
  #7
Trained
Clinton's horses are frequently over bent. I'm not fond of it either. While I like most of his ground schooling work, I do not agree with his stye of under saddle training.
     
    07-20-2011, 05:51 PM
  #8
Banned
I believe he suggests a shock collar from cribbing.
     
    07-20-2011, 05:56 PM
  #9
Super Moderator
The thing is, ground work should very directly relate to mounted work. It should be a preperation.

For example; When working a horse in the round pen, most NH will try to disenagage the hind quarters by bending aroudn and putting pressure on it so that the horse swings aroudn like a gate, heavy on his fore legs and with the hind end going around like a whiplash. Would you want to ride a turn like that?
Ok for emergency one rein stop, but not what I want if I am preparing for a turn or roll back.
My trainer works such that when she is asking the horse to come to a stop or turn around and go the other direction that the horse look in, bend nose in, follow nose in , think "around" the turn with their head, prepare body by pausing and bringing weight BACK over the hind a bit, then reaching around with the front legs . Totally different. That is the kind of turn you want to ride, so that is the kind of turn you strive for in ground work.
     
    07-21-2011, 03:54 AM
  #10
Banned
You know, tiny, I've never actually sat down and thought about that, but you're absolutely right on the groundwork-to-riding thing. Just sort of seems like common sense, doesn't it? Yet I guess a lot of people don't follow through that way...
     

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