Clinton Anderson uses Rollkur :(

I just thought I should let you guys know that I found out that Clinton Anderson uses Rollkur as he was using it in some of his instructional Dvd's my friend lent me and on a young horse no less! :( I thought I liked him when I had seen his liberty demonstration with Mindy (Who I'm in love with!!) but now have lost all respect for him! He also promotes shock collars as well! I can't believe he would promote rollkur and shock collars! This saddens me as there is another one out there promoting it unfortunatley.

Since he's a Western rider and doesn't ride dressage, I'm not sure how he could be using rollkur.

I don't know anything about shock collars or what he does or doesn't promote, since I don't 'do' any of the NH gurus.

Which series is it?

Can you give an example of how he uses rollkur please ?

Clinton Anderson - WEG

I watched Clinton Anderson warming his horse up before a demonstration. I was absolutely appalled by his riding: it was a very hot day (at least 85 degrees), he rode his horse in an extreme rollkur frame and cantered his horse for about 40 minutes without giving it a break.
This is not horsemanship. This is cruelty.








I really can't stand the way he rides. His horses are terrified of contact.

I have to somewhat agree. There is often a feeling of harshness and abruptness in how he works horses. Not my cup of tea. I guess I should not say much , seeing as how I really don't know that much of his methods. Have only watched a few videos but got that impression right away.

Clinton's horses are frequently over bent. I'm not fond of it either. While I like most of his ground schooling work, I do not agree with his stye of under saddle training.

I believe he suggests a shock collar from cribbing.

The thing is, ground work should very directly relate to mounted work. It should be a preperation.

For example; When working a horse in the round pen, most NH will try to disenagage the hind quarters by bending aroudn and putting pressure on it so that the horse swings aroudn like a gate, heavy on his fore legs and with the hind end going around like a whiplash. Would you want to ride a turn like that?
Ok for emergency one rein stop, but not what I want if I am preparing for a turn or roll back.
My trainer works such that when she is asking the horse to come to a stop or turn around and go the other direction that the horse look in, bend nose in, follow nose in , think "around" the turn with their head, prepare body by pausing and bringing weight BACK over the hind a bit, then reaching around with the front legs . Totally different. That is the kind of turn you want to ride, so that is the kind of turn you strive for in ground work.

You know, tiny, I've never actually sat down and thought about that, but you're absolutely right on the groundwork-to-riding thing. Just sort of seems like common sense, doesn't it? Yet I guess a lot of people don't follow through that way...