Originally Posted by Shananigan
This is for everyone, what are your veiws on Clinton Anderson, or Parelli? Do you know a different Natural Horsemanship person who you favor more instead of Anderson or Parelli? Voice your opinion! I might need to start a new thread, because this is kind of off the topic of this one. We'll see though! I'm not looking to start an arguement haha I'm just curious!
I've been leaning toward the ones who started it all...studying their books and following their philosophy (they're like the "founders" of NH..that is, helped bring it to the public):
Tom Dorrance and Ray Hunt. Unfortunately, both dead now, but their books are AWESOME and I did get to see Ray in person doing one of his clinics, that was cool.
As for your question about CA or PP:
They're all basically basic foundation same basic principals. Did I say 'basic' enough times?
But seriously, under the titles and names and games and whatever....regardless of who you choose to listen to or take tidbits from....it's all the same basic stuff:
Communication through consistent repetitive cues.
The horse is pushy on the lead? Pressure when he's too close. No pressure when he's not. He learns to find the release of pressure and learns not to be pushy anymore. Learns where he's supposed to lead. Then you don't have to keep repeating eventually the horse gets it and doesn't get pushy anymore (as long as you stay consistent in your handling, so you can't allow the horse to be pushy one day and demand that he not be the next)
CA is a quite demanding trainer. Doesn't waste time with too many steps and doesn't mince words. He tells the horse to move. The horse moves or the horse gets more pressure now in no uncertain terms, BUT he is (in my opinion) fair with how he handles it. He's not shy to up the pressure, but from watching him on tv and seeing him in person several clinics and symposiums, I like his no-nonsense but fair approach. It has helped me immensily with troubled horses. I get further faster with less stress on the horse.
I practice his lunging for respect on every horse I get my hands on (part 1 and 2) before I go to bridlework (John Lyons) and desensitizing mixed in and then under saddle work (bridlework repeated under saddle: John Lyons).
I do a lot of the flexing and hip work (disengaging) which helps like you wouldn't believe to get every kind of cue into a horse from a:
Come to me cue to a one rein stop to a sidepass (part) to leads, to steering, etc...
I got certified through John Lyons, so I do the bridlework and follow more the quiet way of training vs the "get er done now" of CA.
Chris Cox's way to ask the horse to drop his head is awesome (rocking the head side to side) really works great for horses who tend to snooze and ignore.
Chrix Cox's quartering a horse stead of the regular round penning is the best.
I did go through Pat Parelli's Level One a long time ago but it just wasn't for me. I like more bare bones stuff and all the right-brain left brain stuff was too much for my brain. I think there's of course a level of psycology to it (see it through the horse's eyes, understand him first) but I think that bare bones training is lost in too much detailed analysis. That's just my opinion, though. I know a lot of people love it and frankly, I think that's awesome.
My main concern is for the horse. Is it fair to the horse? Is the trainer trying to make life better, easier for the horse? Trying to teach the horse how to get the peace he deserves/wants out of life with people? Then I'm all for it, you know? I think overall, that's my main concern.
I like to pick from all, big names and not....and tweak the lessons to suit the horse. I used to go by the John Lyons certified title, but now I just say I'm an NH trainer. I study all of em. It's good to see who's out there and what they have to say. Good or bad, you can learn from everybody.
The ones I watched on RFDtv when I used to get it (damn directv!)
John Lyons (used to be on rfdtv)
Ray Gingrich....sorry, but I just don't get it. Too much editing and too gimmicky in the sense of making it look dramatic by filming the clients crying and letting the whole deal unfold like a melodrama with details that have nothing to do with whatever it is he does with the horse (which he deosn't really reveal!) Then he asks a client to ride a horse that bucks? That rears? To show him what the problem is? He takes risks with getting people hurt and he doesn't explain things well enough that leave me feeling icky inside. Just by watching him he seems like more ego than training.