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The danger of NH

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        09-08-2010, 06:44 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    The danger of NH is that there is no such thing.
    I have watched the big names and they miss so many signals being given by the horse. Equine body language does not entail some of the things being represented as such.
    Just my old an ancient observations
         
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        09-08-2010, 06:54 PM
      #12
    Banned
    ^^ Spirithorse, they might miss a lot of the body signals, but then again, humans aren't horses. We are predators by nature, and they are prey by nature. We do our best to understand horses and try to make life as nice and easy and natural as possible, but unfortunately the equine language is far too complex for us to know every single detail AND to be able to spot them while working with the horse.

    I think it's called Natural Horsemanship because it's not the traditional way of breaking and training horses. Just my personal opinion.
         
        09-08-2010, 07:06 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Excuse me.. The danger of working with horses period.

    Copying these trainers is safe as long as you are under the physical guidance of an experienced trainer who agrees with whatever method you are attempting.. Which, again, goes for any discipline!!

    So yes, don't attempt to try to control an 800 lb+ animal with a DVD, no matter if it's NH one or 'Amazing Classical 1887'.

    Don't try to learn to drive like that either.
    Or surf.
    Or skydive.
    Or play waterpolo!

    Many uninformed riders or wannabe riders will look at non-natural riders and copy them too.. The same thing happens with both schools of thought!

    Quote:
    So when you are into natural horsemanship,
    Please, know what you are doing.
    "So when you are into HORSES,
    Please, know what you are doing."

    And then I agree completely.
         
        09-09-2010, 12:17 AM
      #14
    Banned
    I am interested in NH and have watched many but can't decide between them. So I continue in my own way, and guess what, my new horse (bought Dec) joins up with me in the paddock since about last Feb. He does it every time I am there, so I am not imagining it as I thought I might be. And I am not the food source, he is full boarded.

    So my thoughts based on this. NH is about trust, my little guy trusts me. And I don't need to run him in circles to obtain this. It is about how I am with him, I love him but I don't let him push me around. And I am consistent. If I am stressed while driving to the barn, I keep driving and get a soda *abnd horror* smoke a cigarette at the gas station up the road - when I am there with him at the barn, it is our time and I spend probably more time cleaning his paddock of manure each week than I do riding him, sadly.

    I still think I have stuff to learn so watch as much NH stuff as I can, but at the same time I agree with others, that you have to be the N part of it at natural. Your horse needs to trust you, and that will not happen if you are stopping every 2 seconds to read a cheat sheet of rules.
         
        09-09-2010, 08:48 AM
      #15
    Weanling
    I am a firm believer that your horse will teach you everything you need to know in order to be a good horse/person. Being with horses is like carrying on a conversation. When in the saddle you hold a conversation with your hands and your legs, your hands tell where you want to go, your legs tell how fast you want to get there. Being leader means your horse must pay attention to what you are saying, it would be rude for them to interrupt you or ignore you while speaking, you must have their attention. In order to have their attention they must feel you are worthy, as the confident leader. NH is just a term that I feel is so overused it has lost it's importance, somewhat like the word "love". NH from what I understand it to be, the mass marketed version at least, only works because it gets you out there involved with the horse. If you didn't own a DVD, or a book, or a carrot stick, and had never heard of Parelli, all you had was a horse and lots of time,and you put the two together, your relationship would evolve just the same. It is just spending time with the animal and allowing the bond to mature - that's the big freakin million dollar secret...spend time with your horse.LOTS and LOTS of time...the horse will tell you everything you need to know...IF you are willing to listen. I am really turned off by all this "technique" crap...it's like missing the forest for the trees...the big picture is this...spend time with your horse, touch your horse, watch your horse, talk to your horse, listen to your horse, work and play with your horse...get to know your horse and all the while he will be getting to know you...it is a relationship, it takes work...fad horsemanship is just like fad diets...we all know what we need to do to lose weight...eat less and excercise more...but that's too freakin simple, there has to be a harder more complex way that produces quicker more magical results...NO...same with horsemanship...there is no magical DVD that will make you a good rider or horseperson instantly...it takes LOTS of time and experiences to get you there. You bought the horse, in my opinion that's all you need to buy.
         
        09-09-2010, 09:54 AM
      #16
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by herdbound    
    I am a firm believer that your horse will teach you everything you need to know in order to be a good horse/person.
    Unless you hurt badly by say horse because of the lack of knowledge.

    Unfortunately with the beginners (and I was like that too when I just got my girls) without the professional help (whether it's a trainer, someone with lots of experience, or even books or dvds for the lack of everything else) things can go very wrong. There are threads like that all the time on every horse forum I know of. Especially if one gets the horse way over his/her head (and that happens all the time as well).
         
        09-09-2010, 10:57 AM
      #17
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    Unless you hurt badly by say horse because of the lack of knowledge.
    I myself am a great example of that. I broke my leg an was out of riding for a year because of my lack of knowledge. Talk about learning the hard way
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        09-09-2010, 11:11 AM
      #18
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by .Delete.    
    I myself am a great example of that. I broke my leg an was out of riding for a year because of my lack of knowledge. Talk about learning the hard way
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    Very sorry to hear that! That's TOO hard way to learn.
         
        09-09-2010, 12:07 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    Well you have a good point Kitten_Val but I have to say people get hurt trying to try out things they see on video's too...I think it boils down to learning a foundation of basic horse safety FIRST and then mixing it with some good old fashioned common sense. My point was that a lot of the NH techniques and systems boil down to you actually interacting with your horse, spending time getting into their heads so to speak. It isn't the video's that produce the results, it's you getting in the field and spending the time with the horse.
         
        09-09-2010, 12:18 PM
      #20
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herdbound    
    Well you have a good point Kitten_Val but I have to say people get hurt trying to try out things they see on video's too...I think it boils down to learning a foundation of basic horse safety FIRST and then mixing it with some good old fashioned common sense. My point was that a lot of the NH techniques and systems boil down to you actually interacting with your horse, spending time getting into their heads so to speak. It isn't the video's that produce the results, it's you getting in the field and spending the time with the horse.
    I completely agree with that. And every horse is different, so if CA or PA technique works on one horse it doesn't necessarily works on other (despite all statements "one size fits all").

    I was more referrring to the fact that all of us beginners (and sometime even not so beginners) have to start somewhere, and it's too hard to know where to start and how to deal with the problem without the help (been there myself).
         

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