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        11-13-2013, 09:23 AM
      #91
    Green Broke
    While I'd agree that things like cavalia can also influence people in the wrong way it a little bit different, its a professional performance. Alysia is purposely marketing and targeting this crowd of young people BECAUSE they are so vulnerable. Hence higher revenues from her DVD.
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        11-13-2013, 01:57 PM
      #92
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by SlideStop    
    While I'd agree that things like cavalia can also influence people in the wrong way it a little bit different, its a professional performance. Alysia is purposely marketing and targeting this crowd of young people BECAUSE they are so vulnerable. Hence higher revenues from her DVD.
    First, I didn't realize she was selling a DVD. (I read "self-promotion and figured she was just chasing fame. It didn't click quite right!) Which is why I said "free" on my last post. I have to agree that she's marketing toward the ignorant more than not though.

    Second, I have never known the separation between "professional" and "amateur" to create a thick boundary between what people are willing to try at home due to being "inspired" by an act they witnessed. Just the other day my cousin returned from a circus-type deal that had an Aerial Silk act. It was a professional performance and it was stamped with the "do not try at home" sticker. We caught him tying blankets to their indoor balcony, so he could practice for his show. Luckily we caught him in time. The kid is somewhere between 10-13.

    One day at the barn where I used to ride, I was taking a bareback lesson and had cantered a half-lap. It was a new victory for me and I had been working on my cantering skills for months. I went off to another arena with my instructor to finish out the lesson. Behind us, a newbie with six or seven lessons behind her had been grooming her lesson horse. She saw me do my victory half-lap and decided she was going to do it too. So what did she do? She grabbed a helmet, untied her horse, lead him to the middle of the arena and managed to get on. She was riding bareback. When my instructor felt a random need to turn around and check a fence, she instantly flipped her lid and went off to get the girl off of the horse. She was 16ish years old. She was old enough and normally acted mature enough not to need a babysitter at the barn.

    Hell, even my first ever horse riding instructor was helplessly influenced by a horse movie. You know that movie "Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken?" (Favorite movie ever.) She and her friend were trying to do the canter mount that Sonora had to do to learn how to mount when the horse came up the ramp. They video taped it, and it was basically a video of two fourteen year olds flying over a horse's back in a lunge circle.

    People have an endless enthusiasm when they become inspired. Inspired people can do the dumbest of things, with or without the boundary of professionalism. I'm sure these things could have been prevented. My instructor could have not been allowed with the horses by herself. We could have babysat the sixteen year old and put my cousin in front of a game. But this is only a small testimony to what a lot of people do. Even if you look at kids who want to be like Tony Hawk in their skills. He's a professional skateboarder and he's known for doing crazy tricks. Whether you're with those kids or not, they're going to try to mimic what they saw on tv. Even if the only reason is to one-up and show off to their friends.

    With all that said I can't truly reprimand Alysia for trying to make money in whatever way she's trying to do it. Even if she was only trying to market herself to the experienced horse people's community as a "free riding" horse trainer, there'd be the chance of an impressionable fool watching her video and trying to mimic it on their own. We just have to put our faith in people and hope for the best that they're smart enough not to try what she does.

    (But she SHOULD be promoting safety if nothing else.)
         
        11-13-2013, 02:43 PM
      #93
    Green Broke
    You riding lesson is the perfect example of what I was trying to get at when I say professional.

    What do you think would have happened if she saw your trainer do that? I bet should would have said "wow, she is good. One day I hope to ride like that." Then she sees someone who is presumably a peer do it and she is more likely to think "Hey, if she can do that I can do it too!". When I started jumping I watched my trainer sail over 4 foot + jumps for fun. I wouldn't dare attempt it, I have respect for her knowledge. Then when I see my friend hop on her horse and jump bareback I'm way more likely to say "If she can do it I probably can too!". I'm not saying just because a professional does it means no one will want to try it, but it certainly help to carry that title.

    And don't get me wrong I'm not saying people who go to a movie, circus, show, etc don't get expired to do stupid things. I just think they are more likely to stop and think when they see someone is a "powerful" or more knowledgable state.
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        11-13-2013, 04:19 PM
      #94
    Foal
    Oh! I get where you're coming from and agree with you whole-heartedly. :)
         
        11-13-2013, 05:02 PM
      #95
    Weanling
    All Im going to say is nice videos..... but it only takes once to make a disaster. I don't care how well a horse is trained playing in a field running around having them rear etc etc serves no purpose but to invite trouble. Horses don't know that in play there are rules they just run spin BUCK REAR run BUCK REAR spin etc. Just because a rider can ride ( and we all know she can ride ) doesn't mean she's an exception to any trouble. Honestly its not my cup of tea If I want a horse to act like a dog I would get a dog.

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        11-13-2013, 05:04 PM
      #96
    Foal
    The horse is keeping a respectable distance, it wouldn't be safe if he was any closer but to be fair I think they have a great bond
         
        11-13-2013, 05:16 PM
      #97
    Yearling
    I think perhaps her videos need to come with a caution to the novice. That these can be very dangerous behaviours and it took a lot if work and respect to be able to do this safely.
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        11-13-2013, 05:26 PM
      #98
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by louisemegx    
    The horse is keeping a respectable distance, it wouldn't be safe if he was any closer but to be fair I think they have a great bond
    What exactly counts as a "great bond"?
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        11-13-2013, 05:51 PM
      #99
    Weanling
    I will admit, I run with my horse. He is trained to stay beside me close enough that I can reach out and touch him and he matches my speed, but this is taking it to far.
         
        11-13-2013, 05:54 PM
      #100
    Weanling
    And I see this as straining the horse that disrespect is acceptable. No way in HELL would a stud colt behave like this to a dominant stallion, and this is a full grown horse. Also, why is he left a stud? He does not have the confo to be left intact.
         

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