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        09-02-2013, 10:36 PM
      #41
    Foal
    I wouldn't be comfortable with the rearing myself but she seems to be in control of the situation with the horse listening to her. As for youth watching the emulating the video - parents need to be sure their children are properly supervised.
         
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        09-02-2013, 10:59 PM
      #42
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by bsms    
    She is a much better rider than I am or ever will be. But maybe the advantage I have in being an old fart is I realize what videos like that inspire others to do - others who do NOT have the ability. So yeah, I feel comfortable - even though I'm not a great rider or horseman - in saying she is wrong to post videos like that. Particularly since she sells videos to try to convince others to do the same...

    "Now with over two million views on her videos and over three million on her YouTube channel, what started out as playing around in the paddock has gained her international attention, as people sit captivated, watching her FREE RIDE."

    For $40, you get: 5 Free Riding tutorials

    1. An Introduction to Free Riding
    2. Free Riding Techniques
    3. Teaching Your Horse to Free Ride
    4. How to Control an Unpredictable Horse
    5. Free Riding Demo
    Exactly how I feel about it. I am not chastising her but because of many people who view horses as 'pets' like a Chihuahua is a pet, will go home and do this. I know this because I know a woman who did this. She had a lot of money, got tricked into buying a large 3 YO paint gelding because all of a sudden she needed a horse. She played tag with her horse all of the time instead of riding it (She was too afraid to ride unless it was during her lesson). One day I remember watching her "play" with her horse and when she turned her back, the horse charging after her, slammed on his breaks and reared behind her, nearly clocking her in the head. And she had no idea.

    But that is an extreme situation . . .
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        09-03-2013, 12:47 PM
      #43
    Yearling
    Teaching a horse to rear is only dangerous if you value your brain bucket.

    I don't know if this video was posted, but this is why you DON"T play with your schmoopie

         
        09-03-2013, 12:55 PM
      #44
    mls
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MsBHavin    
    Teaching a horse to rear is only dangerous if you value your brain bucket.

    I don't know if this video was posted, but this is why you DON"T play with your schmoopie

    Stallion Kicks Girl On Head - YouTube

    Exactly. The reach on an extended kick can be further than either the horse or handler realizes.
         
        09-03-2013, 01:29 PM
      #45
    Started
    The 'trick' training and liberty training is where a lot of this comes from. If I play with my horse she can buck and spazz... ACROSS the arena from me XD. If I can touch her with a 16ft lead she is to close for such foolishness and she knows that.
         
        09-03-2013, 01:49 PM
      #46
    Foal
    FYI: Her website DOES hold a "disclaimer:

    'Working with and around horses can be a dangerous activity, which could result in serious injury or death. Because of the unpredictable nature of horses, Alycia Burton and all associated with the production company will not assume any liability for your activities, related to this information contained on this DVD or website or not. This DVD and website and the products sold on it provide basic instruction and information that may not be suitable for every rider or every horse. No warranty is given as to the suitability of this instruction and information to you, or to anyone with whom you share this instruction and information. Furthermore, riding instructors using these techniques and information must assume all liability for sharing this information. Personal instruction may be more suitable for some individuals.'

    So for anyone trying to bash her for not informing those that horses are in fact dangerous, and that her riding style is undoubtly more of a danger, please be aware that she takes all legal precautions. Honestly, what she does is obviously hard. She is a talented rider, who should not be critiqued for her decision to spread her belief in "free riding." If I could ride as well as her, I would definitely "free ride" too!

    As far as 14 year olds seeing her video and deciding to mimic her; that is not at all her fault. She should not be punished or blamed for the actions of others. She is only showing videos of controlled situations. She is not posting videos of crazy, out of control horses. She has been wearing a helmet in all the videos I have seen (which is still a personal choice, anyway), and her animals never appear out of control or wild.

    I see no harm in her posting her videos, or even selling instructional DVD's. How is her selling video's any different from Clint or Pat? Things they preach can still be dangerous to humans. Hell, ALL of horse riding is dangerous to humans. Even horses, at times.

    People need to learn to take responsibilty of their actions. And parents who have children with horses need to have a large role in the training/care of their kids and animals. I would never let 14 year old ride unsupervised. I'm 24 and still like to know that at least someone is around when I'm riding.

    Society to too whiny as a whole. This is a talented girl, showing off her talents. She is good at riding, and makes money from what she knows. Just like any other good business man/woman. She is in no way forcing anyone to buy her goods/services, and is not in control of other's actions.

    I don't see any danger in what she does with her horses.
    ...Well, not any MORE danger than anything else that involves a 1,200 lb animal.
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        09-03-2013, 03:27 PM
      #47
    Green Broke
    I hate to say it in such a callouss(sp?) way, but I think uneducated, novice individuals who put themselves in dangerous situations (should they get hurt) deserve it. It's no secret that horses aren't gold fish that can't hurt you...
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        09-03-2013, 03:55 PM
      #48
    Foal
    I completely agree, Zexious. I know that when I was younger, and I did stupid things, I got a physical reminder. And guess what?! I never did that stupid thing again.

    Sometimes people just have to live and learn.
         
        09-03-2013, 04:16 PM
      #49
    Green Broke
    Yep, sorry, dumb. And for those who commend her riding, a great rider does not make a great trainer, owner or handler. I know a girl who can ride extremely well, but lacks the desire to learn to train or handle properly, so her horses are monsters on the ground.

    I have more respect for people who have responsive, respectful horses and know how to handle them than those who do stupid things with them in an attempt to prove they are the next Alec with their version of the black stallion. These types of videos do nothing but show beginners how to hurt themselves and ruin their horses.
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        09-03-2013, 04:26 PM
      #50
    Trained
    Definitely a lack of understanding the dangers of "playing" with an animal 10x your size. Heck, when my 70 lb dog plays hard and slams into me at a dead run, I almost fall on my can, and her horse is larger than 700 lbs.
    I find her foolish, at best.
    Funny, The Crocodile Hunter took many risks, too. I remember watching a show where he "played" with a camel on his place. I wouldn't have done that.
    We all know how he ended up, swimming too close to the business end of a sting ray.
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