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    09-04-2013, 05:24 PM
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BlueSpark, I don't think that people should limit themselves and what they post for fear that other people will mimic them. Take a look at all of the other videos on youtube xD
unfortunately I have seen some of the videos on you tube. Everyone has the right to post whatever they want. I know far, far, far too many people who believe the horsie fairytales fed to them as children. Then as they grow up they start watching videos like this one, and think "if I have a great bond with my horse, I'll be able to do that!", or something similar. They try it and get hurt.

Tell me what that video shows that is useful? At best it is entertainment. It shows me nothing of her skills as a trainer. I don't want to PLAY with my horse, because I am not a horse! My smallest horse is 4 times my weight. I have watched horses play, and any one of the kicks, strikes and bites they inflict on each other could easily kill or mangle me. No thanks.

Coincidentally, none of the great horse people I have known personally have ever 'played' with their horses. I have great respect for the well trained, responsive, willing partners they create.
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    09-04-2013, 05:29 PM
Exactly my point. I want my horses to respect my presence, not think it's time to go buck wild and have horsie play time.
They can play on their own time with their horse friends. Either way, I'm not having my boys run around like horses who have no respect for humans, which is EXACTLY what I avoid.
    09-04-2013, 05:37 PM
I've watched several videos of hers, she knows what she was doing :)
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    09-04-2013, 06:34 PM
I think she probably knows what she is doing. Her horses body language is very different than the white stud in the other video posted. That horse has ears back and his idea of play seems more sinister. In the original video the girl does cue the horse to rear it seems. Which indicates a level of training.

I would not do this with my own horse and I think its unsafe to do with a stallion. That's the biggest sticking point to me. Even well behaved stallions are still studs and are inclined to push the envelope from time to time. Which means that in my opinion this is not the best stallion management technique. You are teaching a horse that its okay for you to bounce around with me near you. I have a firm four on the floor policy with all creatures over 200 pounds. That said there are literally thousands of people who handle their stallions in ways that I find dangerous or potentially dangerous. I will probably never have them all in a room to lecture and they would probably not listen to me. So, I say see ya wouldn't want to be ya.
    09-04-2013, 06:55 PM
Blue Spark, many of the videos posted on youtube serve no purpose at all, aside from entertainment. IE-Harlem Shake. Gangnum Style. Just to name a few...

She can post whatever she wants, just like you can post whatever you want, just like I can post whatever I want. Her videos are not meant to be instructional. They ARE for entertainment, and that's fine.
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    09-10-2013, 10:43 AM
Any time I see videos like this. . .or ads for "Learn from Home Horse Training" courses, I get mixed feelings.

There are experienced horse people who can "get away with" doing things like this because of their experience. They understand the concepts of body language and timing and working around the animals. They also understand the potential danger, they know how to bring a situation under control if necessary.

And some people just naturally have a talent, and a "feel" for working with animals that others may never achieve even after many years and thousands of dollars spent.

To me, selling that promise to a generally novice/beginner public is (to me) irresponsible. It's fun to watch, but in recent years I have noticed a decline in "don't try this at home" messages. Instead, more and more people seem to be getting encouraged to feel "inspired" by what they see, and attempt it for themselves.

Telling someone that "you, too, can have THIS sort of fluffy feel-good Alec-and-the-Black relationship with YOUR horse just by following these 12 easy steps at the bargain price of $499.99" is irresponsible.
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    09-10-2013, 11:21 AM
I'm not aware that her "playing" video was instructional at all. As far as I know, none of her YouTube videos are actually instructional. And her videos for purchase, as far as I know, do not cover/teach "playing" with ones horse. I was under the impression that they covered some ground work, and how to convert horse/rider to "free riding." I'm pretty sure the video under discussion was purely for entertainment only, not instructional in any way.
    09-14-2013, 04:06 PM
I'd say that looking at her other videos she has sufficient control over her horses for this sort of thing to be relatively safe.
    09-25-2013, 06:02 PM
Sets a bad example for the kiddies.
    09-25-2013, 10:17 PM
Originally Posted by showjumperachel    
In her other video, she is jumping a massive fence bareback and bridleless. But most importantly, she is jumping it HELMETLESS. It doesn't matter how good of a rider you are, riding a horse without a helmet is dangerous. Horses are ANIMALS with a mind of their own that controls a body three times your size. They are prey animals, therefore their natural inclination is to take flight when something scares them. I trust my horse, but I would NEVER get on him without a helmet OR "play" with him in the pasture with him rearing and bucking around me. I would also never advocate/encourage rearing.....I know some people train their horses to do that and that is beyond me.

Anyways, this is just my two cents. :)
For what it's worth she has a helmet on in all the videos I've seen....

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