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        11-11-2013, 09:12 PM
      #81
    Foal
    After seeing the video, reading some of the comments, my first thing to say is Horse Are Dangerous.

    Helmet, no helmet, tack, no tack, playing on the ground or ridding playfully around.

    Horses are bigger and stronger then us, everything is dangerous! But we each take our own risks with our horses everyday, sure it gives less experienced horse lovers/owners a wrong idea, but we should hope most of the less experienced are being watched with their horses anyway and have support.

    I think its beautiful the way she is bonded with her horse, and I agree completly with the fact I want my horse to know Im boss, but a partnership isnt always work, it should be enjoyable in multiple ways.
         
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        11-11-2013, 09:27 PM
      #82
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheSnowyStorm    
    It is quite annoying. Leave her alone and just keep your opinions to yourselves.

    Sorry if that sounded rude, but just thinking aloud.
    Yes it sounded rude, I think it WAS rude, I'm sorry but anything that you put out in the public is going to get opinions, some positive and some negative.
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        11-12-2013, 08:41 PM
      #83
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
    Yes it sounded rude, I think it WAS rude, I'm sorry but anything that you put out in the public is going to get opinions, some positive and some negative.
    All I'm trying to say is that this is her choice and you don't need to criticise her like this.

    I'm sorry if that was rude. I just don't think it's fair on her.
    If anything criticising her like this is rude from itself. My opinions.

    But then again, it is the internet. I'm going to leave now.
         
        11-12-2013, 08:56 PM
      #84
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheSnowyStorm    
    All I'm trying to say is that this is her choice and you don't need to criticise her like this.

    I'm sorry if that was rude. I just don't think it's fair on her.
    If anything criticising her like this is rude from itself. My opinions.

    But then again, it is the internet. I'm going to leave now.
    If she chooses to put it up she also chooses to accept the positive and negative that goes along with it.

    Videos like this worry me. Sure, this girl seems like a decent horse woman BUT guess who is checking out these videos and looking up to her... nieve and impressionable teens who don't know this can be dangerous and go wrong quickly!! They want to share that "ohmahgodzzz ahmazin bond" with their horses.... regardless of the unknown risks.
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        11-12-2013, 09:46 PM
      #85
    Foal
    I actually have a video about this sort of thing that I filmed at the US Dressage Championships. It is by a trick horse trainer demonstrating his stuff with a Fresian. I'll have to take it off my camera and upload it tonight.
         
        11-12-2013, 09:59 PM
      #86
    Weanling
    First let me say I love watching her videos and she obviously knows what she is doing.

    Now to answer your question; Yes, It is dangerous. However, people post a lot of videos of much worse things they do with their horses, and at some point people need to take responsibility for their own actions. If some stupid kid decides to go do this and gets kicked in the face who's fault is it? Hers for posting her awesome videos? No, it's the idiot who lets their untrained kids go play with their horses unsupervised.

    Edit:
    Not saying people are idiots for letting kids ride horses, but you know what I mean…
         
        11-13-2013, 12:01 AM
      #87
    Weanling
    Well, I admire her skill level, but I personally view it more as a circus act. I agree with Slide in that there are many impressionable people oohing and ahhing an individual who doesn't even wear a helmet. I think at least there should be a disclaimer or warning at the start of the video.

    Impressed.... Not really. Just self promotion.
         
        11-13-2013, 12:11 AM
      #88
    Started
    Everything we do with horses is dangerous in one way or another, and Alycia Burton doing what she is in that video is no different, but it's considerably less dangerous for her to be doing that with her horse than it would be for me to go out and do that with my own, mainly because I don't know what I'm doing with a rearing horse unless i'm on top of it.

    My only issue with the danger aspect of that is, like others have said, the people that watch the video and go "ermagerd I has to do that with mah horsaay" without knowing up from down. That's where the problems are created in my opinion. Alycia knows what she's doing, she and the horse are at respectful distances from each other, she doesn't look to be in striking range, or in falling range say if the horse slipped during a rear, but so many other less experienced people out there wouldn't know how to execute that as safely as a dangerous performance like that can be executed.
         
        11-13-2013, 12:25 AM
      #89
    Foal
    If you ask me this is no different from (what's that show?) Cavalia. The only difference is she's posting for free online and her material doesn't come stamped with the "do not try at home" sticker. Really I don't see any difference between the two. (Maybe that expensive horse show doesn't have rearing. I don't know.)

    Person on the ground controlling the horse? Check.
    Horse performing enviable tricks? Check.
    Helmet free work? Check.
    Stallions? Check.
    People swooning over "amazing bond?" Check.
    Good horse people doing what they love? Check.

    Really I don't have anything to criticize her on. She's infinitely more in tune with that horse than I could ever hope to be with any horse handed to me. She's an infinitely better rider than I could ever hope to be. The horse clearly respects her boundaries and he seems like he's always questioning "is this ok?" when I watch his head. He's eager to please.

    There's always going to be stupid and impressionable people on the internet. If you ever want to lose faith in that, simply google "fail videos" and be amazed. While this woman shouldn't be trying to say what she does is easy in any fashion, and while she should be promoting caution, I don't think I (personally) have room to speak or reprimand her for the way she's doing things. The only thing I could do within reason is suggest a helmet.


    ETA - I found a clip of Cavalia. While it's not exactly the same as the video in question, it shares the same principles. Especially where she's running in front of the horses.
         
        11-13-2013, 01:31 AM
      #90
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Saranda    
    Her body language and how the horse reacts tell me all I need to know. Honestly. It is dangerous, of course, as all things we do with horses, but in the right hands and in the right time this is a wonderful tool to strengthen partnership. I see that this girl knows what she's doing and I respect her for her choices. Many of us would have lots to learn from her - and it's a shame that just because there are inexperienced people out there, who post truly dangerous videos that show their incompetence, examples of true work at liberty get stashed in the same pile.
    Well said.
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