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        04-22-2013, 06:41 AM
      #11
    Foal
    You sound a lot more in control now, how long have you had him? Glad he's good under saddle.

    Claire
         
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        04-22-2013, 06:58 AM
      #12
    Weanling
    Im only leasing atm and soon can buy if it all works out, I pretty much own him as no one wants him ,and I want him lol,he was going great, but he had around 2 months of just being a paddock horse,so getting him back into work is what he doesnt like LOL.

    Problem is I've stopped in past once he challenged me, and he's learnt that, so now I have to be consistent with discapline, and be top horse instead of him powering me...i realllly need a shorter longe line, that one is way to long for me
         
        04-22-2013, 09:17 AM
      #13
    Super Moderator
    Great advice already given. The horse needs to know that when he crosses the line, there will be repercussions.

    And, don't EVER longe him over food again. It is a major distraction and will create resentment when they are not allowed to eat. Notice how much of his bad behavior is right after having to trot over the food and not be able to eat. Longe only on clean food free ground.
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        04-22-2013, 10:17 AM
      #14
    Weanling
    Everyone is right, he has no respect, you need to get in touch with a trainer who knows what they are doing so you can learn how to lunge properly.

    1. NEVER wrap a lunge line around your arm or wrist, if he takes off, you WILL be dragged behind him.

    2. Once its "work time" he needs to get into work mode, not eating and farting around, make him give you a nice active walk, not that shambling walk he was giving you. Ask 3 times, 1st time nicely, 2nd time with more force, 3rd time -get after him!-

    3. Gloves gloves gloves, proper ones.Unless your into getting your nails and skin ripped off your hand, I suggest gloves lol.

    My mare will "cue" me to let me know she will act up, hunches her body a bit and eyeballs me, then its off to bucking bronco world lmao. She has learned that all that gets her is a near face plant with the arena wall and has realized its pointless, she will NOT get her way lol, she also has respect for my lunge whip and when that's pointed at her, even if she's freaking out, she will avoid it.

    I am not telling you to beat him with it, crack it on the ground make the snapping noise, its the noise that freaks them out. Get behind his shoulder, not ahead of him.
         
        04-22-2013, 10:20 AM
      #15
    Green Broke
    It sounds like you are on the right track, but to answer your question the short answer is - you don't worry about deciding if they are going to go through with a "threat" or not, you take every threat at face value, assume they have every intention of doing what they are doing and you react accordingly. Spending any time thinking about whether or not the horse "means it" only leaves you at risk of injury if you make the wrong call and lets the horse have the opportunity to see that there is room for pushing boundaries. If your reaction is not the same EVERY time the horse exhibits an unwanted behaviour you are creating a situaiton where the behavior is likely to escalate in frequency and seriousness.
         
        04-22-2013, 01:59 PM
      #16
    Super Moderator
    Yeah, to me, a "threat" is an insult, and it makes me get my back up fast . I don't insult the horse, but if he insults me, I will interrupt that thinking very fast and firm, then right back to what I was asking before.

    I agree that lunging over "food" will make things more difficult, but if that is all you have, then use it and raise your expecation to say, "no eating!" and I think any horse should be able to meet that expectation, resentment or not.

    Lunging is not as easy as you'd think. Is there anyojne there who can give you a lesson or two?
         
        04-22-2013, 05:54 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    tom,round yard 013.jpgthanks for the advice everyone:)

    The hay on the ground is the scraps he doesnt eat, but yeah would of been a destraction, we made a round yard

    Im alot more confident with him now,

    Im going to look into getting a short longe line as it is way to long for me
         
        04-22-2013, 06:17 PM
      #18
    Super Moderator
    He actually wouldn't frighten me at all - at this stage he isn't really aggressive but doing a really good job of trying to make out he is. He resents having to work and you are not energetic enough, clear enough or dominating enough (that is not bullying - different thing) in your body language.
    Learn how to fold the lunge line up and carry it at lead rein length - sign of 'I mean business authority' rather than aimlessly dragging him behind you and then rather than getting it all tangled up around his legs you let it out gradually.
    When you crack that whip it has to mean it - I don't know how much you use your voice but I'm talking all the time - good horsey voice/bad horsey voice, verbal cues. Bad horsey voice has to mean 'mummy is not a happy bunny and when I'm not a happy bunny then watch out.'
    I will disagree about the working him on his food - a lot of people don't have access to a ménage and a horse has to learn when its time to eat and when its time to work otherwise every time they get ridden on grass or near foliage they'll think its OK to snack.
    It has already been mentioned but please always wear gloves
    Since he's broken I'd be inclined to lunge him in his tack to instill the idea that its work not some odd game you're playing - cavesson or headcollar over his bridle with the lunge line attached to that and side reins loosely attached to a surcingle or his saddle - that is not to restrict his head carriage beyond normal.
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        04-22-2013, 07:05 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    I say good boy, but its habit lol which isnt good because I use to ask for canter, hed trot and id say good boy, amount of times I had to correct myself LOL, he is only new to ground work,the lady that was helping gave up saying he's an aggressive animal, I don't think he's aggressive, but its mainly horse play the lady that was helping who was trying to do NH on him was swinging the end of her longe line near his face which was causing him to rear up and be annoyed,

    Only time I've seen him aggressive was when he charged me as I was putting his rugs on while eating he took my sleave cuff off when he went me, was very lucky he stopped after that, he never had problems with being touched while eating, which now he gets annoyed, didnt help our dog was annoying him as he retaliates to the dog, and bikes slamming acrross the road, he got a good smack to the mouth for that,

    Tis when I relised I need to be top dog not him
         
        04-22-2013, 07:10 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fahntasia    
    Everyone is right, he has no respect, you need to get in touch with a trainer who knows what they are doing so you can learn how to lunge properly.

    1. NEVER wrap a lunge line around your arm or wrist, if he takes off, you WILL be dragged behind him.

    2. Once its "work time" he needs to get into work mode, not eating and farting around, make him give you a nice active walk, not that shambling walk he was giving you. Ask 3 times, 1st time nicely, 2nd time with more force, 3rd time -get after him!-

    3. Gloves gloves gloves, proper ones.Unless your into getting your nails and skin ripped off your hand, I suggest gloves lol.

    My mare will "cue" me to let me know she will act up, hunches her body a bit and eyeballs me, then its off to bucking bronco world lmao. She has learned that all that gets her is a near face plant with the arena wall and has realized its pointless, she will NOT get her way lol, she also has respect for my lunge whip and when that's pointed at her, even if she's freaking out, she will avoid it.

    I am not telling you to beat him with it, crack it on the ground make the snapping noise, its the noise that freaks them out. Get behind his shoulder, not ahead of him.

    He got cracked over the butt yesterday with the whip, as he doesnt listen and will play up, but he was great after that, he doesnt respond to the whip at all if he knows its comming, my body language was very soft tho in that vid and wasnt comming across as if I ment it, after the owners daughter longed him, it made me more confident as he is only really threatning and once you give it to him he relises he's not boss
         

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