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post #11 of 23 Old 02-16-2014, 11:44 PM
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I have so many wonderful success stories with NH that I don't even know where to begin!
One is the horse that I currently ride is an ex race horse who used to freak out at every little thing, and was such a handful that it took two people just to talk him down the barn isle... Now he's a big loving and very curious & inquisitive teddy bear that you could trust him to be led by a 5 year old

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post #12 of 23 Old 02-17-2014, 08:43 AM
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CA makes his horses work and when a horse is tired a lot of the stupid goes out of it as it doesn't have the energy to be stupid. Because most horses are a hobby, they don't get the kind of work that is effective. There's a old cowboy saying wet saddle blankets take the stupid out of a horse. Unfortunately, many see this as a reason to allow the horse to rest and cool down. A horse that is sufficiently exercised will stop on a dime when it hears the word whoa.
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It has certainly helped empty my wallet on over-priced gimicky savvy products.
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post #14 of 23 Old 02-17-2014, 01:30 PM
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^I think too much of the NH stuff these days are gimmicky. For this reason, I've never really messed with it.

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post #15 of 23 Old 02-17-2014, 01:48 PM
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I went to a clinic by C. Cameron-audited it over a 2 or 3 day period. Learned a lot & I watch him on RFD if I see his program. He's 1 step ahead of the horse, & usually catches them before they do the "wrong" thing. Reminds me of the old saying-"an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Have not used any other NH folks methods, so cannot say about them.

NOw, I don't know if I've ever seen Craig Cameron, but why would you want to catch your horse BEFORE he did the wrong thing? You have to let him make that wrong choice, correct that, offer him another opportunity to make the correct choice and wait until he does, then reward. That is fundamental to training. If you stop the horse from making a "wrong " choice, he will not learn nearly as well as letting him make a mistake, making that mistake uncomfortable or difficult, then offering him to make the right choice and making that comfortable and easy. THAT is the basis of NH training.
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post #16 of 23 Old 02-17-2014, 06:17 PM
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NOw, I don't know if I've ever seen Craig Cameron, but why would you want to catch your horse BEFORE he did the wrong thing? You have to let him make that wrong choice, correct that, offer him another opportunity to make the correct choice and wait until he does, then reward. That is fundamental to training. If you stop the horse from making a "wrong " choice, he will not learn nearly as well as letting him make a mistake, making that mistake uncomfortable or difficult, then offering him to make the right choice and making that comfortable and easy. THAT is the basis of NH training.
I agree. In the past I have stopped horses from making the wrong choice before they made it, and they didn't learn anything and ended up being upset with me because stopping them from making the wrong choice so they can learn is micromanaging.
I've watched videos of Craig Cameron, and I have to say that as a person he may be fine, but I don't like him as a trainer and what I've seen him do is more old school cowboy stuff rather than NH... Maybe he's improved though from what I've seen. I have a DVD of him, Josh Lyons, and Pat Parelli competing in a colt starting thing back in 2002. Where Pat and Josh started off with groundwork, Craig went straight to saddling. And once he had the saddle on, he let the horse loose in the round pen and tossed a rope at it to make the colt go into a bucking fit. Nobody else did that, nor did they need to with their colts. Like I said though, what I saw was more old school cowboy than NH.... I just hope he's improved from what I've seen

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I use a mix of natural horsemanship and more traditional methods. I don't like many of the big name guys. I do have a lot of respect for Ken McNabb and Guy McLean. I also love the old classics- the Dorrances, Ray Hunt, etc. Stacey Westfall is probably my favorite big time trainer, but I would not consider her a natural horsemanship trainer. She is just a very talented reining trainer.
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post #18 of 23 Old 02-17-2014, 08:49 PM
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I've been training horses for 3 years now with Clinton Andersons methods. I would highly recommend it :)

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post #19 of 23 Old 02-18-2014, 07:23 PM
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I used NH since 2005. I did the first 2 Parelli levels, and then switched to Clinton Anderson- whom I like MUCH better.

When you purchase a Clinton Anderson kit, you get EVERY bit of information that you need to complete the kit and be 100 % successful! Fundamentals kit is worth it's weight in gold, and turns your horse from crazy to perfect! I have a half arab, and she's turned into a total GEM :)

I disliked Parelli since it purposefully leaves a lot of information out of the kits, and you as the student with lots of unanswered questions, in an attempt to make you have to buy more, pay for lessons, clinics, Parelli trainer etc. My horse was spooky, disrespectful & and downright dangerous when I was following their program...

I highly recommend Downunder Horsemanship- Clinton Anderson "FUndamentals" kit- it's what you need :)
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post #20 of 23 Old 02-18-2014, 08:13 PM
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I don't really do any of it because what I was doing before I ever heard of NH seemed to produce well mannered, happy, well adjusted horses.
Most of it is pure marketing hype that's made some people a lot of money
I mean what is Unnatural horsemanship?
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