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    07-18-2013, 05:02 PM
  #21
Foal
I personally believe in making what you want them to do appealling and what you don't unappealing. Like when we were walking Chance by the other horse they both got a pet and where left to themselfs when they didn't try to bite. But that is my own training opinion. I will never force any of you to use it, but I am interested in your own.

Amberly (and anyone else), what would you do if when, under saddle, the horse you were riding stomped towards another ridden horse and cut them off/bite him?
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    07-18-2013, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by amberly    
Horses do not understand punishment.
1.) They are prey animals.
2.) By the time you want to "punish" them, they have forgotten what they did that was right or wrong.
3.) Beating them or punishing horses DOES NOT help in nay way shape or form. If I ever see any of my students or the friend that is borrowing my horse, then her first warning will be verbal. Her second warning is that she will get off the horse and watch for the rest of the day without participating with horses for the rest of the day. Her third warning with be #2 as well as she will load everything up into the trailer and clean out the horse dung and do anything else I tell her to. Her last warning will be that she will not be able to use any of my horses and she will not be allowed to participate in any lesson.

Timing is everything, so if you want to reward good behavior - you need to stop immediately after he does good so he understands better.
Wait... you have students? You were JUST learned how to do rising trot...
     
    07-18-2013, 05:49 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by RememberMeForThis99    
I personally believe in making what you want them to do appealling and what you don't unappealing. Like when we were walking Chance by the other horse they both got a pet and where left to themselfs when they didn't try to bite. But that is my own training opinion. I will never force any of you to use it, but I am interested in your own.

Amberly (and anyone else), what would you do if when, under saddle, the horse you were riding stomped towards another ridden horse and cut them off/bite him?
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At the risk of being reported - I'd make him turtle so fast he'd wish he never tried. I'd spank his butt and roll my spurs, then I'd pony horses of him and dare him to be a butt head. My personal safety and that of the other people and horses around me is more important than the 'imaginary butt hurt feelings' my nasty horse would feel. Going to call my lawyer.
     
    07-18-2013, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RememberMeForThis99    
I personally believe in making what you want them to do appealling and what you don't unappealing. Like when we were walking Chance by the other horse they both got a pet and where left to themselfs when they didn't try to bite. But that is my own training opinion. I will never force any of you to use it, but I am interested in your own.

Amberly (and anyone else), what would you do if when, under saddle, the horse you were riding stomped towards another ridden horse and cut them off/bite him?
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I'd open a can of whoop arse on the monster. I have zero tolerance for dangerous behavior. I have been known to kick my mare in the gut when she has tried to kick other horses passing her while on the cross ties. She knows darn well what i'm kicking her butt for.

Horses kick and bite each other in the wild. It is how they establish their pecking order.
     
    07-18-2013, 06:10 PM
  #25
Showing
Hi,

I don't really follow any method except the rule of "Make the wrong thing hard, and the right thing easy."

How can he just 'cut other riders off' when the rider is supposed to be steering him? Does he ignore her leg? Then she needs to reinforce her leg aid with something like a crop. As soon as he listens, then you go back to a soft leg cue again.

Have you thought that MAYBE the reason he is biting is because he is in pain? We had a mare that acted like this. Turns out she had chronic head pains due to running into a tree at a young age. She was always in pain and thus lashed out at other horses, not correcting them just plain going after them.

She is also the mare that would buck under saddle, go to bite others for no reason.. a pain on the ground, under saddle, and in her stall, despite how much ground work or how many corrections or tail-whoopings she got from horse and human alike.

Once she was treated, her attitude changed signiciantly.

It's worth investigating.

Vet, chiropractor, and any other holistic approach. Find something that helps him out, and paired with good handling and riding skills (I don't see how shaking a rope does anything to stop poor behavior..) will turn this horse into a respectable mount.
     
    07-18-2013, 07:05 PM
  #26
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by amberly    
Horses do not understand punishment.
1.) They are prey animals.
2.) By the time you want to "punish" them, they have forgotten what they did that was right or wrong.

Timing is everything, so if you want to reward good behavior - you need to stop immediately after he does good so he understands better.
Ok, so a horse doesn't remember why it got an immediate crack for kicking at another but it does remember why you are giving it a treat for, say, lowering its head?
It seems a person can give a correction much faster than a treat. I know I can lay a crop to a rear end faster than someone can reach in a treat pouch.
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    07-18-2013, 07:24 PM
  #27
Weanling
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Originally Posted by amberly    
They are not punishing each other. They are correcting each other to think twice about what they did in ways horses understand much better than punishment.

I am very tempted to turn you in for horse abuse.

Lol I hate to jump in here, but have you SEEN horses in a natural herd setting? They kick each others tails hard and they do not hesitate and they are black and white. They don't fool around. I have seen them punish eachother and even bully one another. Just the other day I seen a mare accidentally bump into a gelding and he turned around and kicked her rear lol. The difference between correction and abuse is all in the timing.

And you said we shouldnt hit or horses, you should tell me that after one tries to run you over.
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    07-18-2013, 07:28 PM
  #28
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Originally Posted by LouieThePalomino    
The difference between correction and abuse is all in the timing.
Timing yes, but also intent. If your intent was to stop a dangerous behavior then it's correction. If your intent was to simply wail on an animal, then it is abuse.
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    07-18-2013, 08:01 PM
  #29
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
Timing yes, but also intent. If your intent was to stop a dangerous behavior then it's correction. If your intent was to simply wail on an animal, then it is abuse.

Yes, that is also true. Thanks for adding that lol. And I also forgot to mention that it is also abuse if you hold a grudge against an animal and continue to hit them throughout the day for no reason. I've seen it happen lol.
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    07-18-2013, 08:13 PM
  #30
Yearling
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I am very tempted to turn you in for horse abuse.
You're going to turn an anonymous person in for horse abuse?


"Hello, Animal Control? Yes! I'd like to turn MuppetGirl in for horse abuse!!.....Where does she live?! I don't know! FIND HER!!!!"
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