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    04-12-2011, 08:22 AM
Unhappy Help! trouble with LBI gelding

Hey guys, so I have recently got into Parelli and went to the 2011 UK Celebration which really inspired me.
I have also recently got my first horse, I knew him for almost two years when I was 11-12. It is a really long story, long story short he is an ex riding school horse who started rolling with people on his back and he has been doing the same with me.
He is definitely a left brain introvert as he loves food,doesn't like repetition,very intelligent,can be dominant and basically the other traits.

He loves hacking and is very well behaved outside the arena.he loves jumping alot, he sometimes has lots of energy, and he is approx 20 years old!

So Mystery is being difficult. What exercises can I do to help him trust me? I don't know what to do because if I ride him in the arena he will stop, I'll give him a small kick and he'll do a small rear then roll. He never did this before, until a while ago. And it can't be a health issue as he is very happy to hack up hills and trot on the road.

I seem to think he is fed up with 'riding school' stuff but I can't seem to help him see that he isn't a riding school horse anymore, my confidence is so low I'm sometimes afraid to ride him

Please please I really need help :(
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    04-14-2011, 04:43 AM
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Hi, HorseLover123!

To my mind, you should hold off riding for now and go back to doing more groundwork. I'm no professional yet, so I won't be able to recommend anything specific, however, I'd advise you to read Rio Barrett's book "101 Horsemanship Exercise" - it has lots of great ideas.
    04-17-2011, 03:01 PM
I agree, groundwork, groundwork and more

And do it in the arena. Since that's where the issue is. It sounds like it's less of a trust issue and more of accepting you as a leader, but I of course don't know. I would work on joining up with him to help him see you as a leader, and if he tries to roll when you are doing groundwork, work him faster. When he seems ok, allow him to go slower. Another roll, work him faster again, and back him up and switch sides with him fast, letting him go only about a half a circle before you switch him the other direction. A few times of that and let him go slower again in a circle and try to catch him before a roll, and back him up, and do the fast switching again. Anyway, these are just a few things I do with my mare when she's misbehaving.
    04-17-2011, 06:01 PM
Green Broke
I agree with morabhobbyhorse
    04-17-2011, 07:41 PM
Does sound WAY too familiar. Those LBI's are SO tough. I have my first one, and they are FAMOUS for getting "sticky feet". It is so frustrating. I was fortunate to be able to spend the winter at a Parelli barn, and that really helped. I have done hourse of groundwork, and still do it a couple times a week. Still tho, he will get "stuck" and totally refuse to move. What you need to know is that the LBI's get bored easily (which is why they do this in the ring, and not outside). I have had to really tune into my guy, and once he "gets" whatever we are working on, we move on. You can ssee a difference in them when they catch on. They love patterns, but again, be careful not to bore them with it. Mine will sometimes just defy me! We will be doing something he groundwork....and he will get stuck and refuse to move. What my trainer said, which made a HUGE difference-once you know he knows it and is just refusing, ask once. The second time you ask DEMAND! SO, if he is on the 22 ft line, stops, refuses to go when I point and cluck-I step toward his butt arm extended and carrot stick flying. It only takes once. Same when I am on him. I ask once-then tap him with my macate or even my hand. He is catching on. I also had to let go of his head. The more you pull, the more they brace. We are now steering with legs almost 100%.
If there is a Parelli person who can help you, it is wonderful. It is so key to be in the right position and not to let them make you move your feet.
Good luck-they are a challenge and will keep you on your toes!
    04-18-2011, 07:25 PM
The easiest solution is don't ride him in an arena at all. Use him for transportation. I would do that for a year before doing anything in an arena again. Why do you need to ride in arena? You can do everything and more outside on the road, in the trail, in the pasture.

If at some point you want to try the arena again you always have to find ways to motivate him. With some LBIs that are already bucking or rearing etc to avoid whatever you want, you really need to think motivation and not force. Sometimes a whack on the butt is just the trick with ones that aren't too extreme but when I hear rolling or rearing I'm thinking a whack on the butt might push him over the edge or not but you have to be willing to deal with the outcome. As another member (marecare) said "extreme measures can result in extreme outcomes" or something along that line.

There is a savvy club DVD with Linda working Remmer that might help you. She does all sorts of things to motivate that big doll. Like putting up barrels in the corners and preloading them with treats. Using reverse psychology so when he drags his feet ask him to move slower. I have an extreme LBI and I have to do all these things and more or else he will just take over. If I keep it fun, interesting but not overwhelming then he's great. And remember when it's his idea then that is completely different so you have to cause your idea to become his idea. Cool eh.
    04-18-2011, 07:37 PM
TLO-I agree with some of what you say. However-not riding in an arena is just not realistic for some of us. If not for the indoor, I would not even be able to ride at all for months. Therefore, I have had to learn to keep him interested and motivated in the indoor, which he hates. It is a brain excercise, for sure, but it is a necessary one. Treats are a huge motivator, as are the predicatable pattern things-like a "box" in the middle of the arena we created one day with cones. All changes could only happen there. Within about 5 minutes, you could see him searching to go to the box, and the in it listening intently! It c an be amazing, but they can also be really frustrating.
    04-18-2011, 07:42 PM
I understand that F&B, but the OP talks about riding out so if she can then why not continue. I think a lot of people think they must ride in an arena. Also her horse is rolling and rearing so the problem has already patterned. I don't know about your horse specifically but for many LBIs what you're doing is just fine. When they start rearing etc then it can be more difficult to stop.
    04-20-2011, 09:56 PM
Easy quick fix. When he gets down to roll he will stretch his neck out. Jump ouf of the saddle and sit on his neck just behind his head. Use just enough weight to hold him down. Keep him there until he lets out a big sigh and relaxes. Be in the saddle as he's getting up. You played his game but it didn't turn out like he was expecting. Waiting for the big sigh is very important. When he's down, he's vulnerable to attack, especially so when he can't rise. The sigh means he's accepted his fate and is ready to die, except you, this wonderful person gets him up and he's ok. I'll bet this horse is real sick of ring work and would really enjoy the trails.
    04-20-2011, 11:52 PM
OMG Saddlebag I have to hand it to you if you can do that! Have you actually sat on a horse's neck just behind the head? I could see some of my horses violently throwing me

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