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post #11 of 29 Old 07-12-2013, 04:19 AM
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I've never respected peoples opinions of 'Oh riding horses is terribly cruel'!
Fact number 1: Horses don't know any better... You can't want what you don't know.

Fact number 2: Horses weigh a TONNE and could pummel us if they felt like it. I mean, we could be living in fear, because every time we try to mount a horse it rears, kicks, bites, barges etc.

Fact number 3: Look at the horses ears while you are riding... They are generally swiveling around, listening, or pricked forward. Hardly ever flat back. If they are flat back it usually means they are in pain, or maybe they saw another horse they don't like... Or on rare occasions, they don't like being ridden.

Continuing on from what I just said, this documentary simply took one side of the story: The horses who don't like being ridden. I can tell you, there aren't many of them....Horses like to have a purpose :)
So they simply took some of those horses, filmed them being ridden and said 'Look, it doesn't like it, so that means every horse in the world hates being ridden, no exceptions'.
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post #12 of 29 Old 07-12-2013, 06:09 AM
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Was it a documentary called "The Path of the Horse?"

If so, you have to take it as a narrative about the filmmaker's personal journey, from feeling unhappy in the hunter/jumper world to finding a way to be with horses that was fulfilling for her. I would not view it as an "objective" (if such a thing exists in the first place) presentations of facts. She gave us a particular construction riding and was very selective of the images she showed. Pictures or videos of horses happily doing their jobs were not a part of that narrative.

As far the studies done by Alexander Nevzorov showing that saddles and bits cause pain are concerned, he's a guy who would have had an agenda before going about collecting data, so I would take that bit of science with a grain of salt.
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I hate going to work everyday too... Yet I'm doing it on my own free will.
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There’s a number of problems with that kind of attitude. Firstly, the people who talk about horses like that, or other animals, especially domesticated animals, not to mention the “natural environment” have a completely unrealistic understanding, or probably more correctly, a complete misunderstanding of what nature is and the place of humans in it is. This can be summed up by a quote from an anthropologist Dawn Chatty that I found a few weeks ago:

“The common western, urban notion of wilderness as untouched or untamed land has pervaded conservation thinking. Many policies are based on the assumption that such areas can only be maintained without people. They do not recognise the importance of local management and land-use pra...ctices in sustaining and protecting biodiversity. Nearly every part of the world has been inhabited and modified by people (Pimbert and Pretty 1995). In East Africa, for example, the rich Serengeti grassland ecosystem was, in part, maintained by the presence of the Maasai and their cattle (Adams and McShane 1992). There is good evidence from many parts of the world that local people do value, utilise and efficiently manage their environments (Naban et al. 1991, Oldfield and Alcorn 1991, Abin 1998, Novellino 1998), as they have done for millennia. These findings suggest, in complete reversal of recent conservation philosophy, that it is when local or indigenous people are excluded that degradation is more likely to occur: ‘It suggests that the mythical pristine environment exists only in our imagination’ (Pimbert and Pretty 1995:3)”.

In other words the these people have a western, urban, out dated and mistaken view of the world and nature, and people; mistaken because it does not stand scrutiny once it is subjected to actual analyses. When this kind of thinking is applied to horses, or other domesticated animals, these dip****s are too stupid to understand that horses are not wild animals, they are only horses precisely because they were bred by people through thousands of years and are are a part of humanity, just as much as humans are part of the horse's world. This also, incidentally, shows all the “natural horsemanship is stupid because nothing we do with horses is natural” rubbish to be precisely that, rubbish. Going further, even if they were wild animals, as opposed to domesticated animals, this attitude would still be in error because it relies on the idea that humans are not part of the natural world, which we are, and always have been. Yet these ninnies preach this crap and they try to force it on everyone else by claiming to have some moral high ground because they “really care for the horseis”; if you disagree with them then you are obviously an abusive savage and not as civilised as them. They simply put forth nothing more than an ideological position and try to bully everyone else into believing it through emotional blackmail.
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post #15 of 29 Old 07-12-2013, 09:08 AM
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It sounds like from your post that your gut was already telling you the answer to your question. Trust your self, it will become your most valuable tool in life!
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians View Post
In every school of thought there are zealots. I don't consider riding a horse, bitted or not, to be cruel. It's why they were put here, to work for us. The partnering and bonding we do with them, the we've discovered we can have with them are wonderful bonuses and make us appreciate them all the more but to anthropomorphize (humanize) any animal is not healthy.
Thank you.. Exactly what I was thinking. I couldn't believe that this documentary was going to try to persuade people that riding horses is cruelty to the horses' backs- that's what horses have done for centuries! What's even worse is that people were believing it and furthermore deciding not to ride their horses anymore.

"I just want to be where the horses are <3."
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post #17 of 29 Old 07-12-2013, 12:47 PM
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Thank you.. Exactly what I was thinking. I couldn't believe that this documentary was going to try to persuade people that riding horses is cruelty to the horses' backs- that's what horses have done for centuries! What's even worse is that people were believing it and furthermore deciding not to ride their horses anymore.
In addition to the zealots there are always those who are content to let someone else do the thinking for them and are easily led. Those are the ones I find the most frightening, no though process, no originality and they're just......sheeple. Frightening!

Keep on thinking and questioning, it's good for your brain.
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post #18 of 29 Old 07-12-2013, 01:16 PM
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If I go away for 2 weeks and don't ride my horse, she is thrilled to be ridden again. Honestly, Any horse I've ever seen that doesn't have a job is miserable and looking for a purpose, just like if people don't have a purpose. From my experience (Although they may not want to work as hard as we can make them, ha ha!) they love having a job to do and pleasing their owners.

I wouldn't listen to those people,each to their own, as long as no one tries to keep me from getting on my horse! haha
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post #19 of 29 Old 07-12-2013, 02:13 PM
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I don't think its cruelty...
Apollo is nowhere near being completely trained, and he absolutely loves being ridden. After our ground work he literally will kind of invite up by standing next to the mounting block and stares at me. Haha
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