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post #121 of 297 Old 07-13-2011, 09:09 AM
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Cool. Those are the ones I'm trying to defend. Those guys knew what a horse was going to do before the horse knew.
To paraphrase the words of one of the early NH trainers (I believe it was Tom Dorance) "Horsemanship is knowing what is going to happen before what happened, happens."

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post #122 of 297 Old 07-13-2011, 09:17 AM
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She does not have training yet, she is still frightened of many thing, her injury to her front leg is all the way to her bone/joint capusle so I could not use NH training methods to treat her rear legs. I can do whats needed to her front leg, give her shots, oral meds etc, but since she became trapped in the fence last Friday she became extremely shy on her rear legs again. I did what was needed for the sitution, what was best gor us both & safe for us both.
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post #123 of 297 Old 07-13-2011, 09:40 AM
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Then the vet arrives. Bless him. Great vet. All 6 foot 8 inches of pureblood Irishman that he is.
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post #124 of 297 Old 07-13-2011, 11:57 AM
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Nail hit squarely on the head.
Terrific post!


I do not see how that story shows a horse with training to the point of accepting meds. Not at all. It is nice that the mare stood well for her rectal. That does not scream 'perfectly trained horse' to me.
Exactly. I didn't mention anything about training. The thread began with the question what has happened to common sense?

I was merely illustrating that perhaps tying an animal for 8 hours in whatever heat to get it to take meds that are seriously needed is not a common sense approach. Secondly I believe that horses too can exhibit 'common sense' when something is really in their interest. We simply have to know how to ask, what to read, and using 'common sense' put them in the easiest position to understand.
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Am I the only one who is mildly amused that someone took issue with Doe's anecdote, but not the anecdote that involved tying a horse for eight hours in stifling heat?
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post #127 of 297 Old 07-13-2011, 12:24 PM
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I only took issue with it because she posted it as an example of something to do with training.

I agree that tying a horse for eight hours in the heat teaches them nothing (well maybe some patience, but nothing to do with taking any meds).
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Sadly there will always be folks who see life through a straw. Expanding their mind and thinking outside the box just isn't in their nature. Some very smart horse folks managed to pack that idea into a brightly colored box, market it, and become stinking rich. Label it what you will, NH, cowboys, DQs, etc, some ideas are good while others are not. Only common sense allows a person to see that something is not working and it's time to try something new, hence this thread. The only good training method is the one that works.
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post #129 of 297 Old 07-14-2011, 04:48 AM
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I read it as an example of him getting a fairly untrained horse to stand for something unpleasant by approaching it with the right attitude, as opposed to using more coercive methods, I.e. Tying it in the heat for eight hours.
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I don't have a problem with NH as a concept, can't say I use it but I have nothing against it. What I have a problem with is ignorant horse people who think that after reading a book or watching a dvd they can "train their very own horsie". I also have a problem with that because if they succeed (they rarely do) then they think they can train any horse, not only hurting themselves, but also giving other people the worst advice they could give. I have grown up with horses, obviously not everyone has. So instead of taking the cheap way out, hire a trainer. Go work with someon hands on. Shadow someone for a week. Ride/Train with an experianced friend. Use Dvds and books for additional information- not your training philosophies. Don't limit yourself to just training and riding, talk to a vet and farrier. If horses are important to you take the time to learn every aspect. I read horse books I have nothing against them. But I do not use one book to train a horse, I use my years of experiance, every ride I've ever been on, every book I have read, every day I have worked with a horse. It is experiance that does the job, not a dvd.
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