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        11-28-2011, 11:45 AM
      #251
    Foal
    I do not agree with the whole "god complex" either. Yes I think CA is a good trainer but am I going to worship the ground he walks on? NO

    I do not like P.P, I do not believe his training is user friendly. He leaves holes and it's confusing how he got the horse to do some stuff.

    Also I do not like the whole lets hold a spur in our hand and poke the horse everytime he come in my "bubble". There are better ways to get a horse to respect your space. And I don't like the "Games"
         
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        11-28-2011, 01:59 PM
      #252
    Foal
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
    He had groupies following him around like a rockstar and he was in the lead with his chest poked out like a Banty rooster!
    When did this guy get God status???? Hmmmmm.....
    This coming from a guy that fall off a baby on Road to the Horse. My problem with his so called games is, if your not planning on keeping this horse for all it's life, than don't play the games with them. If you happen to sell this horse, or god forbid something should happen to you, if a person doesnt play or know the PP games, working with this animal and the way it reacts to your body positioning, you would think it was a lunatic. I'm for just good old sound basic training to make a good using mount that is safe & sane if your not using it for some special discipline. JMO
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        11-28-2011, 03:03 PM
      #253
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by goodhrs    
    This coming from a guy that fall off a baby on Road to the Horse. My problem with his so called games is, if your not planning on keeping this horse for all it's life, than don't play the games with them. If you happen to sell this horse, or god forbid something should happen to you, if a person doesnt play or know the PP games, working with this animal and the way it reacts to your body positioning, you would think it was a lunatic. I'm for just good old sound basic training to make a good using mount that is safe & sane if your not using it for some special discipline. JMO
    Lol! I forgot about that video! He didn't get bucked off...he fell off! Lol! Then he took the video down...you couldn't see it anymore! Because he got a little butt hurt over all the comments....my dog could of rode that colt. Tee hee....
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        11-29-2011, 12:09 PM
      #254
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    never mind

    sometimes the best things r left unsaid lol...
         
        11-29-2011, 12:14 PM
      #255
    Yearling
    Very true
         
        11-29-2011, 12:56 PM
      #256
    Yearling
    I've probly said this before, but if you mute the TV when you watch some of these NH trainers, prepare to be surprised. I'm not saying they're mean or abusive. I'm saying they're doing things that you don't realize. They're being just as hard as any good non-NH trainer. But they make up soft names for it so you're ok with it. They cover it up by distracting you with sweet talk while they're getting rough. I don't give a **** if they have to tune a horse up....just don't try to sugar-coat it, call it like it is.


    Now I'm probably fixin to step on toes because I'm going to talk about Buck. Yes BUCK the one they made the movie about. He's a great hand. A cowboy's cowboy. I could only wish to be as knowledgable and handy as he is. He's a legend and has helped thousands of people. But.....he does the same thing! I don't see him as an NH trainer, but he is a clinitian. I've watched the movie probably 4 times on Netflix. I like it. But I notice when he has to "take ahold" of one, he starts sounding alot like an NH trainer. This happens more than once in the movie. You guys may love Buck but you know I'm telling the truth. At one point, he was getting after a gal's horse and while he's yanking, he says he thinks as much of this horse as one of his own. Bull snot!!! Buck Brannaman will never convince me that he values that spoiled colt as much as his bridle horses. . . . I wouldn't..... Anyway, I think he's my favorite if I was going to follow a person's training or something like that. It's just unnerving to hear the bs. I could watch ole Buck all day with the sound off.
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        11-29-2011, 03:58 PM
      #257
    Banned
    I saw him being pretty rough in the film. Didn't really bother me, since I think just about everyone is or has to be at one point or another. But yep, all the talk about loving kindness....BS.
         
        11-29-2011, 05:02 PM
      #258
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by AmazinCaucasian    
    I've probly said this before, but if you mute the TV when you watch some of these NH trainers, prepare to be surprised. I'm not saying they're mean or abusive. I'm saying they're doing things that you don't realize. They're being just as hard as any good non-NH trainer. But they make up soft names for it so you're ok with it. They cover it up by distracting you with sweet talk while they're getting rough. I don't give a **** if they have to tune a horse up....just don't try to sugar-coat it, call it like it is.


    Now I'm probably fixin to step on toes because I'm going to talk about Buck. Yes BUCK the one they made the movie about. He's a great hand. A cowboy's cowboy. I could only wish to be as knowledgable and handy as he is. He's a legend and has helped thousands of people. But.....he does the same thing! I don't see him as an NH trainer, but he is a clinitian. I've watched the movie probably 4 times on Netflix. I like it. But I notice when he has to "take ahold" of one, he starts sounding alot like an NH trainer. This happens more than once in the movie. You guys may love Buck but you know I'm telling the truth. At one point, he was getting after a gal's horse and while he's yanking, he says he thinks as much of this horse as one of his own. Bull snot!!! Buck Brannaman will never convince me that he values that spoiled colt as much as his bridle horses. . . . I wouldn't..... Anyway, I think he's my favorite if I was going to follow a person's training or something like that. It's just unnerving to hear the bs. I could watch ole Buck all day with the sound off.
    I agree, but no matter how much of a cowboy Buck is, he makes a living catering to the type of people who are going to buy his videos and go to his clinics. Which are the people who like to be coddled through training a horse, so they don't feel bad about getting after Buttercup if she gets pushy.

    I am also going to use this opportunity to hammer home the point about the "God complex"... same as I said about PP above. Buck ropes in the Californios...there is way "ropier" boys roping in that deal than him. Yet when Buck would make an average shot everyone cheered. When a lesser known boy made a nice shot....crickets....
    They weren't cheering for a nice roping shot, they were just cheering for Buck...

    I have watched a lot of these guys videos on RFDTV thinking I might learn something trying to be open minded, but like you said it is all the same except in the way they spew it out...
         
        11-29-2011, 11:10 PM
      #259
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
    I agree, but no matter how much of a cowboy Buck is, he makes a living catering to the type of people who are going to buy his videos and go to his clinics. Which are the people who like to be coddled through training a horse, so they don't feel bad about getting after Buttercup if she gets pushy.

    I am also going to use this opportunity to hammer home the point about the "God complex"... same as I said about PP above. Buck ropes in the Californios...there is way "ropier" boys roping in that deal than him. Yet when Buck would make an average shot everyone cheered. When a lesser known boy made a nice shot....crickets....
    They weren't cheering for a nice roping shot, they were just cheering for Buck...

    I have watched a lot of these guys videos on RFDTV thinking I might learn something trying to be open minded, but like you said it is all the same except in the way they spew it out...

    So I understand what you r saying everything gets all "hollywood" but some of us do need a guiding hand, if you will, to go along with our common sense to help us correct things we r doing wrong or to help us tell our horses what we want them to do...i read and watch what and who I think I can make sense of and will help me and my horses..so I guess that means im one of "those type of people" ;(... sure don't mean to be but if you don't have anyone to teach you what do ya do??
         
        11-29-2011, 11:13 PM
      #260
    Weanling
    Not that I am at all into pp or nh...!!!! Just practical riding, common sence goes a long way
         

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