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        11-29-2011, 11:16 PM
      #261
    Foal
    I will say, I think much of the horse community (not all just a large chunk of it) has lost their minds
         
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        11-30-2011, 02:54 AM
      #262
    Banned
    I think it's more of a case of that they havent opened their minds enough.
         
        11-30-2011, 04:08 AM
      #263
    Foal
    I'm not sure if this was said already since I'm not going to read all 11 pages of the thread so bare with me please.

    But I however do follow NH. Don't get me wrong when my horse does something out of line when I'm on him or something that could cause harm on the ground he will get a good smack to snap him out of it; but as far as his training, it has been completely NH. And I stand by it 100%. Anybody who has trained their horse this way or attended a clinic on it knows that it isn't doing whatever that carrotstick thing is... (I actually have never even heard of it. Like you said it sounds like a gimick) it is about asking, not forcing, your horse to do something and never back down from them. Making your body and its movements into something the horse understands instead of something it is leary and anxious about.

    So to be honest I'm not sure if you are bashing the training method or just the people who think that if you watch a video on it they can do it. So I'll go both ways...
    For the people that think it is a bunch of bs method I have one name for you; Buck Brannaman... watch one of his instructional training videos and you'll change your mind.

    For people who think commercialism is ruining it.... you are correct. Guess what guys.... a lunge line is a lunge line, and a lead rope is a lead rope. Oh and if you try to pull the whole sitting in a field of grass, watching your horse and willing it to come to you. It isn't a movie... they will just keep eating LOL
         
        11-30-2011, 05:58 AM
      #264
    Green Broke
    Like above, I'm not reading pages and pages ;D

    If you take the basics of most 'training techniques' they all seem to follow the same lines though... or is it just me?

    Show the horse leadership, tell it, don't ask it, and don't beat the bejeebers out of it.

    Obviously there is more in to it, but in another 10 years there will be other ways to train a horse which essentially is the 'normal' way, but with new gimicks and fluffy words. And there are people who will buy them, and that is how they make their market.
         
        11-30-2011, 06:33 AM
      #265
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by jannette    
    so I understand what you r saying everything gets all "hollywood" but some of us do need a guiding hand, if you will, to go along with our common sense to help us correct things we r doing wrong or to help us tell our horses what we want them to do...i read and watch what and who I think I can make sense of and will help me and my horses..so I guess that means im one of "those type of people" ;(... sure don't mean to be but if you don't have anyone to teach you what do ya do??
    It sounds like to me that you don't need to be coddled and you said the key word- common sense. So no, you are not the type of people I am talking about. I am talking about the type of people who feel the need to humanize their horses and are afraid to get after their horse when he needs it. Some of these clinicians they call it something else other than "getting his ass thumped" so they don't have to worry about "abusing" or hurting their horse's feelings. And from what I observed last weekend at the futurity, these are the same kind that follow PP around like a pack of dogs.

    There is nothing wrong with watching these guys for a little guidance, like I said- I have watched them too. I was thinking that by watching different clinicians that I might learn a different method from each one. I just found that they all teach basically the same thing, but present it differently. It just seems more like a matter of who's presentation you prefer.

    You ask who I go to when I get stuck, good question. I am fortunate enough to have a husband who knows quite a bit, and I am surrounded by good horsemen at work and I am not afraid to haul a horse off to a trainer and go ride for a couple of hours. The majority of people don't have these resources and I understand that. But you would think for the money some of these people are spending on merchandise, videos and all access to the "club" on the internet every month they could go ride with a trainer who is right there riding with them and tell them exactly when they are doing something incorrectly(or correct) instead of trying to fumble with a problem for maybe a few days after watching a video. If you "get' everything by just watching a video then there would be no reason for these guys to put on clinics.

    I am realizing the more I talk about this that perhaps I am being a little biased. I grew up learning a more traditional style of training so my tolerance for the B.S. That comes with NH clinicians is a little low.
         
        11-30-2011, 01:35 PM
      #266
    Weanling
    Cowchick77: I know what you r saying...without doubt!!! I got the basics of horsemanship as a child and teen from my father and grandad...unfortunately I don't live close enough for any real help and trying to explain over the phone is not always to good...lol they both can't hear worth beans soooo somtimes they'll go off on something that I didnt even ask about and havent the heart to say uh what ;)...i am very lucky though becuz I do atleast have the basic foundation that so many don't...thats why I can pick and chose with what sounds or feels write...THIS Forum ROCKS too!!!! Always great advise for most part, glad I found it....
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        11-30-2011, 02:42 PM
      #267
    Foal
    Im not saying anyone is but I think it's a little unfair to bash clinicians and their techniques, they are making it easier for people to understand horses and how to train them. Some people do need that help and im one who benefited a lot of learning from someone who practices CA. I took lessons for many years 10 to ne exact and didn't learn half of the stuff from lessons that I learned from CA method. He doesn't just show you how he tells you why and every exercise you do builds on something else. I think my problem was the lack of proper teaching when I was younger and the lack of a good trainer in my area.
    I think its great but I don't consider it NH and there are a few who I think are wack jobs.
         
        11-30-2011, 09:38 PM
      #268
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by amschrader87    
    Im not saying anyone is but I think it's a little unfair to bash clinicians and their techniques, they are making it easier for people to understand horses and how to train them. Some people do need that help and im one who benefited a lot of learning from someone who practices CA. I took lessons for many years 10 to ne exact and didn't learn half of the stuff from lessons that I learned from CA method. He doesn't just show you how he tells you why and every exercise you do builds on something else. I think my problem was the lack of proper teaching when I was younger and the lack of a good trainer in my area.
    I think its great but I don't consider it NH and there are a few who I think are wack jobs.
    I don't think it is their techniques that anyone is/is not bashing...it is the politically correct bull**** and merchandising that comes with it.
         
        11-30-2011, 10:18 PM
      #269
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
    I don't think it is their techniques that anyone is/is not bashing...it is the politically correct bull**** and merchandising that comes with it.


    Lol well I do think that yes the NH technique is being bashed, but not practical horsemanship...that is just being forced into being all hollywooded up to apeal to all, those who have common sense and those who need to feel warm and cozy (i don't have that need)...it hurts the good ones credability to "horsepeople" however in the process...that's just kinda what I've got out of this subject....im good with here is horse, do this this that and the other thing..simple...i don't need all the lights, music, storyline
         
        11-30-2011, 10:43 PM
      #270
    Foal
    I see what your saying about the going holllywood crap in it is a little ridiculous. And I've found that some people say that they follow those people but they don't actually practice their techniques. They just like them cause there famouss
         

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