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Horsemen: Where has our common sense gone?

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    07-12-2011, 12:42 PM
  #41
Trained
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Originally Posted by rlcarnes    
... I agree with your definition of a Cowboy- Just because you wear a hat does not make you one. You have to earn it.
If the only real cowboys are those who are good with horses, then can we say the only real NH trainers are the ones who are good with horses?

NH is NOT about kissing your horse's butt. It IS about teaching your horse in a way that makes it easy for the horse to learn. How can anyone object to that?
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    07-12-2011, 12:47 PM
  #42
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Originally Posted by bsms    
NH is NOT about kissing your horse's butt. It IS about teaching your horse in a way that makes it easy for the horse to learn. How can anyone object to that?
I agree. Lets step off PP (who is usually brought up in ANY discussion as a main example) and talk about, say Stacy Westfall. Who is also a NH trainer. I've met her in person as well as been on her demonstrations and have to say I have a big respect for her. So is she also someone to "vomit" on and "ripping off" kool-aiders?
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    07-12-2011, 12:48 PM
  #43
Foal
Why is everyone blaming the "Cowboy's"? I know plenty of English, Gaited, Trail and Saddle Seat Riders and Trainers that have used horrible methods of training and used natural horsemanship that have ruined horses. Everyone is blaming Western riders for ruining horses and bad training methods. Bad training can be found in ALL DISCIPLINES. Sorry I am a Cowgirl at heart and it hurts that only the western riders are getting bombarded here.
     
    07-12-2011, 12:48 PM
  #44
Weanling
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Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
As for the NH making horse training "dummy proof"...here's one of my FAVORITE quotes by British author, Douglas Adams:
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
Douglas Adams was an optimist.

'So long and thanks for all the fish!'
     
    07-12-2011, 12:51 PM
  #45
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Originally Posted by rlcarnes    
Why is everyone blaming the "Cowboy's"? I know plenty of English, Gaited, Trail and Saddle Seat Riders and Trainers that have used horrible methods of training and used natural horsemanship that have ruined horses. Everyone is blaming Western riders for ruining horses and bad training methods. Bad training can be found in ALL DISCIPLINES. Sorry I am a Cowgirl at heart and it hurts that only the western riders are getting bombarded here.
Don't worry, rlcarnes. Some english disciplines are getting bashed too all the time.

And yes, it's not about discipline, it's about BAD RIDERS and BAD TRAINERS. That's it.
     
    07-12-2011, 12:52 PM
  #46
Weanling
Watching Stacy Westfall is on par with watching Margot Fonteyn dance or listening to Andres Segovia play. She is pure poetry in horsemanship.
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    07-12-2011, 12:53 PM
  #47
Green Broke
I also wonder where the common sense has gone but am hesitant to point the finger at any one person or group.

I think that it is in human nature to want to include, and to want to exclude. One is necessary by virtue of the other. We include those that have similar beliefs to us and exclude those that don't, thereby reaffirming our own beliefs by associating with other people who share those beliefs.

It isn't just in the NH world. Look at religion, look at politics. It's basic human nature. 'We' are right and 'They' are wrong. As if right and wrong are so easily definable.

Same thing here.

Stupid people: They're everywhere.
     
    07-12-2011, 12:54 PM
  #48
Foal
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
Don't worry, rlcarnes. Some english disciplines are getting bashed too all the time.

And yes, it's not about discipline, it's about BAD RIDERS and BAD TRAINERS. That's it.
Ditto Bad Trainers and Riders- Can't we all just agree to do our own thing and be happy :)
     
    07-12-2011, 12:56 PM
  #49
Foal
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Originally Posted by rlcarnes    
Why is everyone blaming the "Cowboy's"? I know plenty of English, Gaited, Trail and Saddle Seat Riders and Trainers that have used horrible methods of training and used natural horsemanship that have ruined horses. Everyone is blaming Western riders for ruining horses and bad training methods. Bad training can be found in ALL DISCIPLINES. Sorry I am a Cowgirl at heart and it hurts that only the western riders are getting bombarded here.
Im sorry rlcarnes, you are 100% correct. I have seen some english training that made me want to gag.

I used the term as how I perceived it; as someone who reads a NH book and thinks they can break any wild horse out there. But there are as many "armchair jumpers" out there as cowboys.
     
    07-12-2011, 12:57 PM
  #50
Foal
No prob! No hurt feelings- Just bad Trainers ;)
     

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