Please don't turn this into a "lets bash the professional clinician" thread.
I for one am glad they are out there to help horse lovers who need help when no other is available. Back to topic
No one is really bashing the professional clinician, just the people who pay eleventy billion dollars to go and then come back to explain to everyone how they have been doing it all wrong. It's the people were bashing, not the trainers, because obviously the clinicians are doing something right because they can demonstrate, whilst their minions abound can't do squat, but proclaim to know the secrets of the universe! As for being there when no one else is available, I have to disagree, when I was younger, much younger, as I am pretty young, clinic were designed for horse people in training, or with experience, to get another opinion or a chance to ride/take a lesson from one of the greats, hence a george morris or will simpson clinic. This was an opportunity to advance your horsemanship and get a new perspective. It was not designed to take a green rider and horse give them some tools (which can and do work) and let them go expecting to do it all themselves. "I too, can break this wild mustang stallion!" with three easy payments of $$$!! I love the focus on ground work, I hate the idea that a clinic can replace supervision by a knowledgeable horse person. I also don't like the my way or the highway approach, which I feel asks you to close your mind to any other ideas. Being a good horseperson is exactly the opposite. One of the smartest things I was ever told to do is have three different ideas on how to get your horse to accomplish the desired task. Anyways, someone said something about Pat Parelli learned from horses, not his DVDs, and that's the truth. To many people want to read a book for the answers, they don't want to think for themselves. Most people who play with horses, figure out NH without even trying. I did, then I read about it and thought "wow, that's how you explain it to people! Duh!" Can't say I didn't learn anything, but mostly I learned how to talk to people about horses, not how to be a person who can talk to horses.
No one is really bashing the professional clinician, just the people who pay eleventy billion dollars to go and then come back to explain to everyone how they have been doing it all wrong. It's the people were bashing, not the trainers, because obviously the clinicians are doing something right because they can demonstrate, whilst their minions abound can't do squat, but proclaim to know the secrets of the universe!
In bashing the students you are bashing members here. Many are followers of one clinician or another. Some have spent lots of money, I'm sure you can appreciate that they don't like being called silly for doing it. That is my point in keeping this thread on track. Thanks
The Greeks - most definitely. I have a couple books on the Romans and their cavalry. They realized the important relationship with their horses. I've read a lot of Xenophon's writings. People should check those out. Very good stuff.
I would say that Natural Horsemanship, while seeking the same goals as conventional methods, is different in that it intentionally breaks down the training process into steps that a horse can more easily understand. Stages of pressure (kind of like in a pasture situation: tail swish, ear pin, bite, kick), rewards for trying, etc. When I was in Pony Club, one of the things I noticed is that my instructors didn't do this. You asked the horse one way with one stage of pressure, and if they didn't do it, or didn't get it, you beat the living S*** out of the poor beast until it did. Maybe that was just my division though.
[quote=MIEventer;340640]When I think about Natural Horsemanship -
I think about the Native Americans and how phenominally in tuned they were with their horses.
The indians lived in a brutal time and used brutal methods but there were no video cameras to record it so we can have PollyAnna fantasies about how wonderful they were. People have always been people and horses have always been horses. I'm sure there were good and bad. Also they ate the ones that caused problems rather than waste time trying to fix them. Our government has seen fit to deny us that option.