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post #31 of 52 Old 08-03-2010, 02:20 PM
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Okay, very funny comments on the infamous Carrot Stick! (And love the Eggplant.)

But it would do you all some good to calm down, and think about what a whip, or long hard stick-type instrument, is usually used for: to hit something out of reach. Sure, PLENTY of trainers have discovered that such a tool doesn't need to HIT; but there are even more who have had to LEARN (from Parelli or others) that it can also guide. These common-sense ideas, surprisingly enough, are quite new to many people, and got tagged with the name Natural Horsemanship.
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post #32 of 52 Old 08-03-2010, 02:51 PM
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I dont pay attention to the Parelli stuff or NH. Can someone explain what this carrot stick is? Haha. And what is he doing that is making people fuss?
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post #33 of 52 Old 08-03-2010, 03:37 PM
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He called it that to remind people to be an extreme middle-of-the-roadist....to be the carrot person and the stick person, to find that middle of the road using love AND leadership, not more one than the other.
The bolded always gets me. To be what Mr. Parelli is advocating is logically impossible. Being in the middle negates extremism, and vice-versa. I understand the sentiment, but that presentation makes me laugh for some reason.

It's like the scene in Revenge of the Sith when Obi Wan states that "only the Sith deal in absolutes". By that statement, either other factions may deal in absolutes, or we may now address him as Darth Kenobi. Sorry, OT.

@RTG: This is a Carrot Stick. Sticks & Strings - Carrot Stick - E&M Natural Horse Training - (Powered by CubeCart)

Heavier and stiffer than a lunge whip, with a detachable string and popper for a lash. I like the design itself, but the fact remains that I bought mine bootleg for $10, while Mr. P sells his official version for a paltry $62.67 US (only $47.00 for Savvy Club members ). The phenomenon is by no means unique to Parelli, but the point remains...

As far as what people are fussing over, there are a few relatively recent (and rather large) threads devoted to the ongoing hullabaloo.

Pat Parelli Abuses Horse "Catwalk" at Festival of the Horse Natural Horsemanship Demo
Spinoff: LP's version of "Horse-man-ship."

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post #34 of 52 Old 08-03-2010, 03:49 PM
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Beling- I understand that but just the name and price of something like that?

I agree Scoutrider

Horses are scared of two things... Things that move and things that don't.
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post #35 of 52 Old 08-03-2010, 04:02 PM
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I want a blueberry stick
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post #36 of 52 Old 08-03-2010, 04:09 PM
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I want a blueberry stick
Maybe SR's friend can find you one. She seems to have the ability to find fun colors.
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post #37 of 52 Old 08-04-2010, 12:29 AM
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The bolded always gets me. To be what Mr. Parelli is advocating is logically impossible. Being in the middle negates extremism, and vice-versa. I understand the sentiment, but that presentation makes me laugh for some reason.

It's like the scene in Revenge of the Sith when Obi Wan states that "only the Sith deal in absolutes". By that statement, either other factions may deal in absolutes, or we may now address him as Darth Kenobi. Sorry, OT.

@RTG: This is a Carrot Stick. Sticks & Strings - Carrot Stick - E&M Natural Horse Training - (Powered by CubeCart)

Heavier and stiffer than a lunge whip, with a detachable string and popper for a lash. I like the design itself, but the fact remains that I bought mine bootleg for $10, while Mr. P sells his official version for a paltry $62.67 US (only $47.00 for Savvy Club members ). The phenomenon is by no means unique to Parelli, but the point remains...

As far as what people are fussing over, there are a few relatively recent (and rather large) threads devoted to the ongoing hullabaloo.

Pat Parelli Abuses Horse "Catwalk" at Festival of the Horse Natural Horsemanship Demo
Spinoff: LP's version of "Horse-man-ship."
$62?!?!

Thats absurd Why not just make your own out of a hollow plastic broom stick, some grip tape like for tennis rackets and a piece of leather w/duct tape? Honestly. I don't see whats so special about it anyway. Whats wrong with an ordinary crop?
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post #38 of 52 Old 08-04-2010, 05:54 AM
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$62?!?!

Thats absurd Why not just make your own out of a hollow plastic broom stick, some grip tape like for tennis rackets and a piece of leather w/duct tape? Honestly. I don't see whats so special about it anyway. Whats wrong with an ordinary crop?
According to my horses, not one stinking thing. Before I found my bootleg stick at a horse expo trade show, I used a dressage whip with a length of hay twine tied to the end (I didn't have a lunge whip at the time). I got by, the horses got the message, and they don't react any differently to either aid.

It isn't about what's in your hand, it's about what you're communicating to the horse with what you have; whether the $62 Carrot Stick (or Handy Stick, etc), a bootleg imitation, the tail of your leadline, or simply your body language and intentions. If you're doing it right, the horse won't see a difference.

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post #39 of 52 Old 08-04-2010, 12:49 PM
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$62?!?!

Thats absurd Why not just make your own out of a hollow plastic broom stick, some grip tape like for tennis rackets and a piece of leather w/duct tape? Honestly. I don't see whats so special about it anyway. Whats wrong with an ordinary crop?
Silly. . .now you're making Sense.

And Sense has long been an outcast from the magical (and overpriced) world of Parelli.

"Parelli horsemanship is just like painting by the numbers. You need absolutely no skill. You just put this color here and this color there, and when you're done, you have ... a mess no one wants." mp
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post #40 of 52 Old 08-05-2010, 03:39 PM
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Beling- I understand that but just the name and price of something like that?
I wasn't commenting on the marketing, just trying to make a point of WHY a teacher might re-name something. Personally, I get FAR better results with REAL carrots, never mind the stick.
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