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post #41 of 52 Old 08-17-2010, 03:11 PM
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NH is a language the horse knows and one that the natives learned and respected. NH its about making the horse do what u want its about teaching them new ways to move new things they can do and enjoy with their rider its a no harm method but u must learn to think like a horse in order to make it work its easier for some than others. i use NH when i train my horses and those of my clients and i have yet to find a horse that doesnt like the method i use or one that is frightfull when im done training
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post #42 of 52 Old 08-17-2010, 10:02 PM
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I have a purple lunge whip, so I guess that makes mine an eggplant stick.

Don't judge me! It was a gift from a 14 y/o riding buddy. She lurves purple and thought it was a fantastical gift. I do use it, but it clashes horribly with my hunter green lunge line.

Hey I have an eggplant stick too! 2 actually. One's a modified version for dressage
I'm not judging you on purple. I'm 22 and buy purple coz it's pretty
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post #43 of 52 Old 08-17-2010, 10:08 PM
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@RTG: This is a Carrot Stick. Sticks & Strings - Carrot Stick - E&M Natural Horse Training - (Powered by CubeCart)

Heavier and stiffer than a lunge whip, with a detachable string and popper for a lash. I like the design itself, but the fact remains that I bought mine bootleg for $10, while Mr. P sells his official version for a paltry $62.67 US (only $47.00 for Savvy Club members ). The phenomenon is by no means unique to Parelli, but the point remains...
And the 'Savvy string' doesn't even get included in the $62 price tag. No that is $21 extra ($15 if you join their club).

They even have 22-foot ropes that costs $93.

Seems a little pricey for rope that certainly isn't worth $90+, nor is the leather popper or clip. It all just seems a little insane.
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post #44 of 52 Old 08-18-2010, 09:49 AM
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Holy! Almost a 100 bucks for a rope? I think I got mine for like 20 bucks? lol

Horses are scared of two things... Things that move and things that don't.
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post #45 of 52 Old 08-19-2010, 02:52 AM
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Holy! Almost a 100 bucks for a rope? I think I got mine for like 20 bucks? lol
I know. That thing better be covered in pixie dust, or have a gold-plated clip for that price.

As far as I can tell, you can make it for about $35. High quality yacht rope at $1.49 a foot, a few bucks for the clip, and a spare bit of leather for the popper (I am sure every horse person has some lying around).
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post #46 of 52 Old 08-19-2010, 12:34 PM
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Ahahahahaha it better be! :)

Horses are scared of two things... Things that move and things that don't.
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post #47 of 52 Old 08-20-2010, 07:55 PM
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Ok. Heading back to the actual QUESTION ASKED.... Natural Horsemanship is a way to communicate with the horse that the horse will OFTEN (not always) find easier to understand than some "traditional" methods.
NH often encourages horses to become braver by trusting the human to override their natural instincts to flee (such as the Big Green Ball that is often used in Parelli - when the horse trusts the human, it will accept the ball easier. In theory.)
For me, NH is just another useful tool to have and to know, but other methods can produce the same result or from some views a better result in some areas. (dressage ppl for example might not like NH, but thats just fine, as long as they dont go to the NH section of this site and start spouting)
And I know that riding horses isnt Natural etc, and overriding instincts isnt Natural, but its just a name, and some parts of it are more natural, such as learning from pressure and release on the longe rather than voice commands etc. Hope this helps, and was maybe more balanced than some of these answers :)
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post #48 of 52 Old 08-21-2010, 03:09 AM
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But I would argue that NH and some traditional methods are the same thing! Pat learnt his theories from old cowboys. The carrot stick, balls games etc are just gimmicks that are an extension from what he learnt way back when!
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post #49 of 52 Old 08-21-2010, 12:07 PM
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I don't think ANY horse would learn better with the old cowboy style of being forced down and have every scary object thrown at them while their feet are all tied together so they can't run...

But I will say that not ALL of the cowboys did this method, they used round pens and learned the horse language to get better results but understanding and being patient with the horse.

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post #50 of 52 Old 08-21-2010, 03:58 PM
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I don't think ANY horse would learn better with the old cowboy style of being forced down and have every scary object thrown at them while their feet are all tied together so they can't run...

But I will say that not ALL of the cowboys did this method, they used round pens and learned the horse language to get better results but understanding and being patient with the horse.
So, we come right back around to horsemanship vs. non-horsemanship. Both existed then, and both exist now. It's not a matter of "natural" or "unnatural", it's a matter of good horsemanship or poor. The horse will tell you if you're using good horsemanship.

A stubborn horse walks behind you, an impatient one in front of you, but a noble companion walks beside you ~ Unknown
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