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post #1 of 6 Old 09-25-2012, 10:25 PM Thread Starter
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Imprented fill respect

Hello all I`m new in this forum, I'm from Colombia, then the spanish is my mother language, then excuse me for my deficient english grammar.
My problem is how to get a balance between confidence and respectfull, with one of my younger horse, he is a 46 months old gelding and was imprented by my daugther. I was longening him and he was obident and nice but yesterday I was alone with him and close to me I try to put him away with a whip and then he become crazy tryng to bite and kicking me.
Please I want to know suggestions.

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post #2 of 6 Old 09-25-2012, 11:23 PM
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Bienvenidos! Welcome.

Don't worry about your English, you will do fine.

Are you saying that when your daughter is with you , the horse behaves well, but when you had him alone, and you tried to move him and used a whip to move him, he reacted violently and tried to attack you?

has he ever done anything so disrespectful before? something , maybe less dramatic, but something that shows his real attitude?

Why did you use the whip to move him into his stall? he would not move without a whip?

Tell more, ok?

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post #3 of 6 Old 09-26-2012, 08:45 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks a lot tinyliny for your interest:

I will tryng to be more clear: My horse was imprinted when he born almost four years ago by my daugther, but she does'nt ride at all. I'm a horse apasionate (horse lover) not a professional trainer. I train my own horses different breedings mainly PRE, the horse(16,2 h) that I'm talking about is a mix between PRE (the mare) and a Frisson The incident was at my training barn (100 X 120 feet) I was longeing him in trot to the left hand, I use the voice "change" to put him in the other hand around, he doesn't obey me and came to me quiet. Also I was teaching him to take back steps, then I rise and fall the whip touching him at the brest. then after few touches, he transform from a nice and lovely to very very agresive.
He never behave like this.
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This often comes from imprinted horses and horses that have learned confidence around humans, which is why many people blame natural methods & say "every horse that i've met who was trained using NH has no manners."
This is not true, it is just that people have trouble changing it up when the horse does gain confidence and then turns dominant.

The trick is knowing when the change happens, as it can happen in the blink of an eye, and being ready to address it & know how to address it.
You wont ruin his confidence so long as you dont over do the correction. When he pins his ears at you (make sure he is pinning them, not setting them back out of uncertainty) or comes at you & bites or kicks, correct him strongly at the part of the body that is causing the issue (nose & neck if he is biting or pushing, hindquarters if he is kicking).
When he stops or throws his head up as a sign of unconfidence, stop, retreat & move on.
Always address the horse that shows up but be ready to change your technique if he changes.
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Thanks a lot to lilruffian for your advice. I did it and it works, I'm completly agree wth you, there are bad people not bad horses. For me the maximum example of supirior natural horse trainer is Klaus F. Hempfling have you seen his videos? I extremly recomended. He is really a Horse Whisper
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It's unclear what training you or anyone has done with the horse, aside from your asking him to lunge. So I'd start at the start with him. Teach him how to yield away from pressure, 'manners' - not being pushy, etc, before bothering with stuff like lunging, which is IMO about teaching them to do at a distance what they've learned up close.

Re your asking for something and the horse telling you... where to get off, you need to be firm enough to make the horse do it if necessary, but in a safe way. This can be a problem for horses that are 'tamed' but not taught manners too. You also need to be consistant about what you're teaching/asking. I would advise you find a good trainer to help you work with him.
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