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The infulence of Tom and Bill Dorrance.

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    10-14-2009, 07:16 PM
  #1
Yearling
The infulence of Tom and Bill Dorrance.

These men gave so much to the idea of a different approach to training a horse and inspired many of the modern trainers.
They lived in a time before computers and DVD videos and mass marketing through the Internet.

Have you been fortunate enough (in the past) to come in contact with one of these men?
Have you read their books or seen any of their videos?
Do you use any of their ideas in your training?

Please talk about some of their ideas and approach to the horse.
     
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    10-14-2009, 09:49 PM
  #2
Started
No doubt they were very influential. I'm only 20 so I never had the priviledge of meeting them, but I really wish I could have.
     
    10-14-2009, 11:38 PM
  #3
Trained
The greatest horseman I have ever met, Ray Hunt, talked with great reverence about Tom Dorrance. Tom gave us the philosophy of teaching horses in a better way. Ray helped give it to the world. The difference between Tom and Ray's way and the current crop of clinicians is that they gave you the why before the how. The clinicians now mostly give you the how in a 5 DVD series for $1000 and leave the why out mostly.
     
    10-15-2009, 12:03 PM
  #4
Yearling
OK,
A few quotes from them and see if they sound familiar.
People have been robbing from them for years and not giving them credit.IMO


From True Unity by Tom Dorrance pg13

"Sometimes the horse doesn't seem to understand,but it doesn't seem to bother him too much. Other horses,if they don't understand-they get bothered all over. So there again,it's the individual variation.
The best thing I try to do for myself is try to listen to the horse.I don't mean let him take over. I listen to how he's operating:what he's understanding or what he doesn't understand;what's bothering him and what isn't bothering him.I try to feel what the horse is feeling and to operate from where the horse is.

This is what I'm trying to get riders to do,to operate from where the horse is instead of trying to operate from where the rider is. Usually the horse is supposed to do everything the rider decides to do.I like to work from where the horse is,to get him to be able to operate wherever and whenever I need him".
     
    10-15-2009, 09:43 PM
  #5
Started
Wise words.
     
    09-11-2010, 11:19 PM
  #6
Weanling
Very grateful I was able to spend the day with Tom, one to one(and girlfriend).

He had some interesting things to say about Pat Parelli, he did mention he thought he was talented.

He also said with a laugh that he had got into some horses, but always made sure he was the first to pet them and let them they where ok.

Just use as much pressure as needed, but you have to be WILLING to use the pressure needed do get the job done.

He had a quote I wrote done, I will find it and post it.

Ego was the riders big problem.

Stayed relaxed no matter what happened with the horse.
     
    09-11-2010, 11:53 PM
  #7
Started
Marecare, it's so cool that you opened this topic! I love the Dorrance brothers!

Tom was a genius, in many horsemen's eyes. He commanded respect from a horse by his inner wisdom, & had the same effect upon a lot of people.

I didn't meet the Dorrances, but Leslie Desmond is doing a great job in preserving their wisdom.
     
    09-12-2010, 12:15 AM
  #8
Banned
So cool that you brought this one up! I was searching for a book by Tom Dorrance to give to a friend for her birthday and came across a really cool Bio of him.

Heres a quote :

When Tom says:” I’m just living. If anybody gets any good out of it, that’s great. I don’t want to force it on others. I don’t work with a horse that way and I don’t work with people that way.” This quote alone speaks volumes about the manner in which Tom Dorrance approaches life.

Kinda wraps the whole thing up right there! Salute to Tom Dorrance
     
    09-12-2010, 12:17 PM
  #9
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by corinowalk    
Heres a quote :

When Tom says:Ē Iím just living. If anybody gets any good out of it, thatís great. I donít want to force it on others. I donít work with a horse that way and I donít work with people that way.Ē This quote alone speaks volumes about the manner in which Tom Dorrance approaches life.

Kinda wraps the whole thing up right there! Salute to Tom Dorrance
thank you, watched he live that very thing.
     

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