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        03-19-2014, 08:30 AM
      #11
    Showing
    Loosie I agree about some of the editing. The term I used was in reference to cats and the way they move. I don't see how that is considered profane. Perhaps I should have said catfooting but the other is an old term that came to mind. I have worked with a spooky horse and have found this to be the best way to work with them. Making them work teaches them about consequence, then to react or not react becomes their choice if work is the consequence.
         
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        03-19-2014, 12:52 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Thanks guys yes I realize that its not a perfect/quick fix or anything but usually the horses I work with act different to it, but I guess it is true that every horse is different and he is the first "wild" mustang I have worked with, I guess I just got ahead of myself. And as for the profanity I'm not a big one on profanity but I do believe it is a way of expressing yourself and their is freedom of speech, so I don't know how I feel on that one! Also I agree with you SaddleBag on making them work. And maybe a join up isn't the answer to every horse and situation but it does help in some way just about every horse I have worked with so it's defiantly something I like to do.
         
        03-19-2014, 01:38 PM
      #13
    Super Moderator
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    Originally Posted by loosie    
    Who does the censorship thing here, I'd like to know?? Saddle says not to starry foot, I've had a few completely non-swear words starred out... bit ridiculous. Reminds me of something on Facebook about us becoming a society obsessed about not saying rude words or using rude fingers, but desensitised to war, inequality, degradation...

    Anyway, couldn't help the digress... I disagree thoroughly with the idea of roundpenning a horse with the aim of compulsive submission. I prefer to go slower & less confrontational... which IME can get you there quicker anyway! Sounds like you've done well with the horse so far, but 'join up', no matter how you do it, is not a 'magic bullet' & you still need to take the time it takes & do what is needed for a particular horse in any situation.

    The sensors are automatic for some words. It does sometimes result in some ridiculous things. Like, I have a really nice cat. When I call him, I say, "here *****, *****, *****!" and he meows and comes to me.
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        03-19-2014, 09:59 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    Perhaps I should have said catfooting
    Yeah, I got what you meant... Kittyfooting?? Hey, lets have some fun with words & see what gets starred?? Best not hyjack OP's thread with it tho!

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    Making them work teaches them about consequence, then to react or not react becomes their choice if work is the consequence.
    Absolutely. This sort of exercise is indeed a handy tool IMO. But it SO depends how it's done, the horse in question & his attitude, etc. There was another recent post about a shire mare who appeared terrified to just be put in a roundpen with a human.... It's vital to know when it's too much for a horse to put them under so much pressure too(tho same 'pressure' may be nothing to many horses). My main irk is that people don't think of it just in the way you put it above, but that it's a magic bullet to 'make' the horse 'bond' with them. And that they perceive running a horse around a confined space until he gives up as somehow 'natural' & 'nice'. So I guess you could say my main irk is with people doing it without full understanding of what it means to the horse.

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    defiantly something I like to do.
    You do it defiantly?? Sorry, couldn't help myself...
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        03-23-2014, 08:33 AM
      #15
    Showing
    I never circle a horse more than three times but instead will have it do frequent turnbacks. Too much circling creates a mental meltdown while the turnbacks keeps the horse's focus on me. My goal is that this is done at the walk in an effort to keep him in a thinking mode. Loosie, I regularly correspond with a US gal and of late we've been indulging in Canadian vs US idioms. As an Aussie it would be interesting to hear yours and I'm sure Shropshire Rosie would have lots from the UK. Shall we start a new thread? Oh, almost forgot about all the Newfoundland idioms.
         
        03-23-2014, 09:19 PM
      #16
    Trained
    Yep, keeping to a walk is another good principle I reckon - depends when/why you do it as to whether running them is 'bad', but when there's fear involved, best to back off & lower the adrenaline.

    Idioms... reminds me there was a great book a while ago I read called 'Lost For Words' that someone had compiled all(as much as he could find) the sayings of Australia! Yes, I'd enjoy that discussion - tell me if you start a thread & I don't see it! From the Kiwi's here there should be some different funny ones too, from what I've heard from Kiwi friends!
         
        03-27-2014, 05:07 PM
      #17
    Foal
    If you have never watched this logon to Downunder Horsemanship TV and watch Clinton Anderson work with a wild mustang in Australia.
         
        03-27-2014, 05:37 PM
      #18
    Super Moderator
    Join up is not the 'be all and end all' of horse training.
    People in Europe have been doing a great job of breaking horses and forming good relationships with them for long before anyone even thought of using that method - and they still are
    If its not working then try something else - the horse isn't going to end up a disaster because you didn't pass the 'join up test'. It could be that he finds the whole 'predator/prey approach' too intimidating since he's lived the feral life for real
    Try to spend time around him 'doing nothing' so he sees you as part of the furniture so to speak. Be the person who cares for him, feeds him, grooms him and maybe when you've won his trust in a way he sees as less confrontational if you really want to do join up you can give it another go - but honestly - it wont make him a better horse or make him love you or respect you more.
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        03-27-2014, 05:42 PM
      #19
    Trained
    Hey mobile, we don't have any mustangs in Aus - Brumbies are what we call feral horses over here
         
        03-27-2014, 06:57 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Hi Loosie....sorry about; thanks for reminding me....have you watched the series???
         

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