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    04-03-2010, 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by jazzyrider    
...my tb mare can be standing over the top of a sprinkler when it goes off (auto sprinkler) and she'll startle a tad, jump to the side and continue eating. My wb gelding on the other hand jumps, snorts, kicks and farts if he is in the same position. It takes him a while to settle. Same situation yet two different reactions. One is acceptable and one isnt but it shows that a horse doesnt have to lose his mind to deal with a 'trigger'.
Some people watch a sad movie, they cry. Others don't. Punishing a person for what is to them a natural action, or reaction, isn't going to change him, might make things worse. I like to think horsemanship is about channeling "wrong" behavior in another direction, not taking a horse's individuality and wringing it out. Or shocking it either.
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    04-14-2010, 04:51 PM
More info from the company.. interesting

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    04-15-2010, 12:28 AM
That looks informative. Sometime I will have time to read it. Thanks for posting it.
    04-17-2010, 11:19 AM
I'm not oppossed to this at all. As long as it's in the right hands of an experienced person, there's nothing wrong. I would never use one on my horse, or my aunts gelding because they are great horses. However, the other gelding, Pecho...I'd throw one on him in a heartbeat. He constantly destroys his stall and stall door just because another horse walks in past him, or if another horse is in cross ties right next to him.

Kitten Val: You posted something about if anyone has every tried a shock collar on themselves? I do...all the time! If we get a new shock collar, I always test it myself, and adjust it to where I think it is best. I've tested many different types of shock collars from level 1 to level 10. Yea, it hurts pretty good, but I only set it to where I can handle it because my dogs don't need anything past what I can handle because they're generally good dogs. Even if they hear the beeping of it before it shocks, they freak out and go where they know they won't get in trouble. As for horses, I'm not sure if I'd try one of those collars, if the voltage is much higher than that of a dog's shock collar, than I could easily hurt myself...or worse. Even if you touch an electric fence you can kill yourself. It doesn't take much voltage to do it. So...yea...I'm not sure if I'd try out the horses shock collar lol
    04-17-2010, 02:06 PM
The person who put in our invisible fence had everyone in the family try the electric collar to see what it was like before he did the training on our dog.
It was scary but we did it. The dog has so much freedom now, with no chance of being hit by a car, it is a great thing for him.
    04-17-2010, 02:40 PM
I have tried and tried to come around to your thinking, to understand; all the Good; all the Great Results; but I still think it's cruel. I wonder if it's a matter of ends justifying means, whether you agree to that or not. To me, there really aren't any "ends" only the moving on. . .
    04-17-2010, 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by roro    
I have no problem with it as long as it isn't misused.
I like that answer, short and to the point I see as a simple training tool. It, like any other tool can be misused by uneducated people.

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