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        04-29-2010, 09:36 AM
      #91
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    I do find it amusing that the people who say we (general we) are mean to them are the same people that go into the not NH training section and tell us we are mean horrible horse owners who are abusing our horses because we do not play the seven games and use their prescribed NH stuff.
    Exactly, Always.

    How many times have people been attacked for being 'mean' and 'abusive' by Parelli followers if they don't follow Pat and Linda's approved (on sale for only $2,496.99!!!) methods?

    Maybe that's why some of us have such short fuses when it comes to the Parelli 'my way or the highway' attitude of some of their followers.

    NH in and of itself has some very good ideas, and I think anyone who has horses incorporates a little of every training method with their animals. It's the ones who say there's only ONE way to train that irritate the snot out of me. And generally, those people are the cult-like Parelli folks.

    NH shouldn't be considered a dirty word, but when you put Parelli in front of it I stop listening because I find nothing about the Parellis interesting, new, or informative. I just think of media hype, over priced crap, and some training techniques that are dangerous and stupid.

    There's a reason Parelli appeals to the middle aged women afraid of their horses, and the starry-eyed teens who have Black Stallion syndrome. They're playing into people's deepest wants and fears, and telling them that yes, if you follow our methods you'll be a wunderkind trainer and your horsey will loff you forever!
         
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        04-29-2010, 09:41 AM
      #92
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    Originally Posted by .Delete.    
    This is really off topic, well sorta but I had to add. Clinton Anderson is becoming just as bad as Parelli, I just watched a show on RFD today and every 5 seconds he was talking about "buying our super duper halter that you have to have and this will not work unless you buy my halter at the price of 35$ and if you join my club for easy payments of 19.99 a month you can get it for 25$! What a bargain!" Or his 600$ training "fundamentals" kit. Its ridiculous, I understand that they have to mention their sponsors, and such and do marketing but the entire show was practically based around a sales pitch. Its sad really
    CA is getting a bit crazy... I like "his" methods, and use several of his exercises. I always thought he was ridiculously overpriced, but he didn't used to hawk his stuff on the tv show like he does now. The hawking just gets irritating and makes it more like an infomercial than a training show. I have the Riding with Confidence DVD set and his general training book, both gifts. I did all the training with a $5 TSC rope halter or a nylon webbing halter (). My horse does all the groundwork exercises quite nicely. If there's a flaw in him there, it's probably my fault, not my halter's.

    It's a shame that the sound ideas and techniques get caught up and lost in the commercialism, no matter who's name is on the equipment.
         
        04-29-2010, 09:42 AM
      #93
    Green Broke
    I have to say that Parelli has always reminded me of the Church of Scientology:

    You pay large sums of money to get through various levels of the organisation in the hope that at the end you will be able to learn directly from a funny looking man in a hat ha ha

    (Meant as a lighthearted joke, hope the Parrelli people can see the humour too!)

    I wonder if you get to marry a D grade celebrity too like Tom Cruise? If so, I'm joining and I'll have Michael Weatherly thanks!!!! (NCIS)
         
        04-29-2010, 10:06 AM
      #94
    mls
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Administrator    
    Does everyone agree, then, that members should be able to discuss their interest in Parelli in the Natural Horsemanship forum without fearing harassment, I.e., other members pouncing on them and saying mean things just because Parelli was mentioned? Safety concerns are one thing, but snark and contempt from those who don't like Parelli merely for the sake of snark and contempt are another...
    Anyone can discuss anything they like.

    HOWEVER - no matter what a person posts - they have to understand not everyone is going to agree. If you only want to hear like opinions - a person needs to e-mail or PM a friend.

    How the typed word is interpreted is open for discussion. No way to tell the emotion not to mention typing errors can change the whole meaning.

    Posting on a public forum invites public opinion.
         
        04-29-2010, 10:06 AM
      #95
    Super Moderator
    And that is when I will come in!

         
        04-29-2010, 10:18 AM
      #96
    Green Broke
    ^^^ that gave me a good giggle
         
        04-29-2010, 10:24 AM
      #97
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by RiosDad    
    Because some of us have been around a long long time and we know it doesn't work. It is for the medicore people trying to be trainers. I have never seen a well made horse using Parelli. And I have been around alot of boarding barns over the decades.

    It is like someone complaining they get a head ache from banging their head against a wall. Tell them to stop and the pain will go away.
    We are just trying to tell you to stop banging your head.

    As for Spirithorse?? I keep thinking back to the post on the vet approaching her horse without following her instructions on how to approach a horse. Sort of ask permission before to are allowed to touch me?? Trick training is also a part of it. She is part of the wall we are trying to get you away from.

    People that get ahead, make exceptional horses don't use Parelli.

    Parelli is only a marketing ploy.
    While I do agree with most of your post, I have to say that I do disagree with the bolded.

    I know that this has probably been stated a thousand times on this forum, but there is something to be learned from every trainer, even if you hate that trainer's guts. I know a few trainers from around my area that I would NEVER train with them for myself, let alone my horse! But one of them has a great eye for exceptional horses; another is a great trainer for getting you to have the perfect crest release over a jump; and the other one has has a the perfect beginning program for H/J riders who want to learn dressage.

    Even Parelli has some good techniques in there, too. While I must say that I'm not a huge Parelli fan myself, I have found that he does have some good ideas that can be used with all horses - even those super expensive, fancy show ponies and horses!
    I know that my horse certainly has exceptional bloodlines and moves really nice, so that made him worth quite a bit. But that's not my point...my point is that some of the Parelli 7 games has worked well with him on the ground. Now, I would not ever use the riding ideas from Parelli, but hey, it never hurt anyone to try!
         
        04-29-2010, 11:30 AM
      #98
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    I think the debates are a good thing. I'm not really for or against Parelli because I have not tried their methods. I thought about it when I was having serious problems with my horse, so I went to their site and realized I could hire a trainer for less (and not have to risk screwing it up by doing it myself) so that's what I ended up doing. Anyway, back on topic, I learn a lot by reading various debates, even the heated parelli ones. The Parelli ones usually do wind up getting pretty ugly, but so do plenty of others. We should just all use our report buttons if we don't like how a thread is going and then if it still bothers you, just stay out of it. I personally won't be using mine, because most of them I think are pretty amusing and a lot of them you can still get good information out of if you just ignore a few posts. People can be entirely to sensitive. I like Clinton Anderson, but if he gets bashed on here I really see no reason to defend him...I'm not him. The same with the Parellis...unless any of you are actually pat or linda parelli then I don't see why you defend them the way you do. If you and your horse are having success with parelli, then that's great, but that doesn't mean you are responsible for defending him and his entire program.
         
        04-29-2010, 01:37 PM
      #99
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by mls    
    Anyone can discuss anything they like.

    HOWEVER - no matter what a person posts - they have to understand not everyone is going to agree. If you only want to hear like opinions - a person needs to e-mail or PM a friend.

    How the typed word is interpreted is open for discussion. No way to tell the emotion not to mention typing errors can change the whole meaning.

    Posting on a public forum invites public opinion.
    This isn't about disagreements. I don't think anyone doubts the educational value of people maturely discussing their disagreements and providing substantive information to illuminate one another. This is about mean spirited bashing, snark, rudeness, etc. about a topic in an area set aside for those interested in the topic to discuss it, and it won't be tolerated. This applies to all areas of the Horse Forum.

    We've added the subforums we have so that members can discuss their interests in them. Members are not at the mercy of those who don't care for their interests.

    Anyone interested in discussing their interests with fellow horse keepers is welcome to participate here. Anyone interested only in ruining things unnecessarily for others can go somewhere else.

    To be sure, members are of course welcome to disagree with one another. However, if you're going to disrupt an otherwise pleasant thread where members are discussing their shared interests to do it, and effectively ruin it for those participating in it, it needs to be for a legitimate reason, I.e. Education, safety, etc., and not simply to satisfy some urge to be sarcastic, obnoxious, or mean.

    Civility is all we're asking for.

    Thanks everyone, and please be sure to use the Report Post feature when you observe posts that run counter to the helpful spirit that is germane to the Horse Forum's purpose.

    Sincerely,
    Mike
         

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