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    04-28-2010, 10:07 AM
  #11
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Ps, David and Karen O'conner were ahead wayyy before they met parelli.
     
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    04-28-2010, 10:12 AM
  #12
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Oh I do know that they were but they still are and use Parelli now so just trying to make a point that people who are ahead are using it.
     
    04-28-2010, 10:13 AM
  #13
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Originally Posted by IllComeALopin    
ps, David and Karen O'conner were ahead wayyy before they met parelli.
I also believe they've completely distanced themselves from the Parellis now, and claim no association.

Walter Zettl is a puzzle, since he was fairly well respected in the dressage community. That is, until he threw in his lot with the Parellis. People think he's only in it for the money, which he very well may be. Whatever the reason, his association with them has tarnished his reputation.
     
    04-28-2010, 10:23 AM
  #14
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I actually agree and disagree with OP. While the Parelli discussions do get too hot, lots of people commenting on actual trailing clips and tack/horsey stuff rip-off price-wise, not on people who do Parelli.

I don't remember I ever jump on, say, Spirithorse, and her methods of training. Heck, if something work for you and your horse (whether it's Parelli, CA, or Joe backyard trainer, and I mean any safe and productive training, not using gimmicks or beat horse to submission) let it be! And it deserves a respect! However yes, I was pretty harsh in thread about LP training that half-blind horse. NOT BECAUSE SHE'S PARELLI! I didn't even know it till I saw other people comments. I commented only on bad IMO training, and I'd do exactly the same if it'd be CA, Ray, Cameron, or any other trainer (whether NH or jumping/dressage/cutting/whatever).

Also I noticed -some- Parelli people are very pushy and disrestpectful towards other approaches. It's especially true for "certified Parelli" trainers. All they say Parelli is the only way to go and such. I have no problem with people believing it as long as they keep it to themself. However when such person starts to tell me I'm doing everything wrong and I have to go with Parelli, and everyone else is cruel, etc. etc. etc. it puts in pretty defensive mode.
     
    04-28-2010, 10:24 AM
  #15
Foal
All people are entitled to their opinion on an open forum. This is freedom of speech for all of us. If you don't agree with something but you wish to voice it, then all who read it beware of their emotional gut reaction to try to prove their own point. Stop being insecure in your reading of such voice as to allow yourself to get caught up in dribble that you don't believe . Don't defend or criticize as you are trying to control the open opinions of all who are involved. Be secure in yourself and what you believe. You don't have to bash anyone nor defend them. Be mature in who you are and what you have come to learn. After all this is a forum and personally if you want to get into it , take it into a personal chat room. Learn from everyone and decide for yourself what works and what doesn't for YOU. Why debate an issue parelli or non parelli, who really cares! Keep posting and getting information across . Stop wasting your time on dribble that you don't need to defend. Go train your horse and see what works for you !
     
    04-28-2010, 10:32 AM
  #16
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Originally Posted by Administrator    
People do use Parelli. People do enjoy Parelli. It may not be considered the best, the safest, or the smartest training methodology by everyone, but what does everyone think about allowing those that have chosen it a place to discuss it? As a compromise, what if there were only one sticky in the Parelli sub forum and it was a detailed thread warning members who visit the Parelli sub forum of the alleged downsides of using Parelli? Would those of you who are opposed to Parelli and post in Parelli threads consider that a fair compromise which would convey your message to everyone interested in Parelli without requiring you to interject in Parelli related threads? That would allow you to convey your message and allow members still interested in Parelli to discuss it.
I don't oppose Parelli, and not very often post in Parelli threads, but (I guess I going to sound rather harsh here) this sounds like "club for designated people only". Meaning if someone say post a bad training technique (which is dangerous), people can only say flowers and butterflies about it.
     
    04-28-2010, 10:50 AM
  #17
mls
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Originally Posted by Administrator    
What does everyone think of adding a designated Parelli sub forum where members who have chosen Parelli can discuss Parelli without interjection from others?
People do use Parelli. People do enjoy Parelli. It may not be considered the best, the safest, or the smartest training methodology by everyone, but what does everyone think about allowing those that have chosen it a place to discuss it? As a compromise, what if there were only one sticky in the Parelli sub forum and it was a detailed thread warning members who visit the Parelli sub forum of the alleged downsides of using Parelli? Would those of you who are opposed to Parelli and post in Parelli threads consider that a fair compromise which would convey your message to everyone interested in Parelli without requiring you to interject in Parelli related threads? That would allow you to convey your message and allow members still interested in Parelli to discuss it.

Nope. Then you will have to add a sub forum for every trainer out there.
     
    04-28-2010, 10:59 AM
  #18
Super Moderator
Thank you to the members who actually addressed my post/proposal.

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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Mike, a notice like that might actually help those who are looking for training ideas to realize that Parelli isn't the end-all be-all, one-size-fits-all majickal training method that it's touted to be.

Unfortunately, since the people who are brainwashed by the Mustachioed One and his wife don't see that their gods have feet of clay, they're constantly trying to lure others into the cult. . . .
If Parelli had its own sub forum and Parelli related posts were only in that sub forum, those interested in Parelli would discuss it there and only there. That would leave room for other, non-Parelli techniques to be discussed in the Natural Horsemanship fourm. Also, since Parelli related posts would not be found elsewhere on the forum, no members could "lure" anyone else to Parelli from any part of the site.

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Originally Posted by luvmyperch    
Would it help if there were a Parelli forum similar to the Saloon that you must be granted permission to be able to access? If we don't have access, we won't see threads on the New Post list, correct? Outta sight outta mind for the rest of us...
I think that putting Parelli related threads in a Parelli sub forum should be "out of sight, out of mind" enough. If members don't like Parelli, they should avoid the Parelli sub forum.

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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
I don't oppose Parelli, and not very often post in Parelli threads, but (I guess I going to sound rather harsh here) this sounds like "club for designated people only". Meaning if someone say post a bad training technique (which is dangerous), people can only say flowers and butterflies about it.
Nobody is looking to create a special club for Parelli followers. However, Parelli followers should be able to discuss Parelli, right? Currently, it seems they cannot. As I explained, if we add a Parelli sub forum we would have a single sticky in it (so that it could not be ignored) which would detail all of the reasons members recommend Parelli be avoided. Our staunchest Parelli opponents can even help write it to ensure their message is sent.

What's the alternative? Driving those who want to discuss Parelli off the site?

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Originally Posted by mls
Nope. Then you will have to add a sub forum for every trainer out there.
From what I understand, no other popular trainer/methodology is quite as controversial so I don't think it would come to this.

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Originally Posted by IllComeALopin    
Honestly, I doubt it would help.

You made a Western Pleasure sub-forum thingy and 2/3 threads in there are complaining about western pleasure.
I, and I believe the rest of the Horse Forum Team, were unaware of issues in the Western Pleasure sub forum. We will look into it and I encourage you to post about any other issues you observe in the Pow Wow forum. We're here to help when there are problems, but we rely on members to alert us to them. In any event, that is a different issue.

What does everyone think?

Thanks,
Mike
     
    04-28-2010, 11:02 AM
  #19
Banned
I have to agree with MLS.

Are you going to make a separate forum for each trainer and training style where no one is allowed to tell you that your ways are going to hurt you and your horse?

There are times in every section where it seems like any post on a particular subject causes a train wreck.

Heck, why do we not have separate slaughter and no slaughter sections where the other camp is not allowed to post? (No, I do not think this is a good idea either.)

Edit to add - With a forum just for Parelli, does that mean the Parelli people can not jump on the rest of us in other training posts?
     
    04-28-2010, 11:08 AM
  #20
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Thank you Mike for your recommendation I think it would be a good idea because as you said Mike we can't post about it without being harrassed as you said.

Why would there be a need for sub forums for every other trainer when if someone mentions another trainer they don't get bashed straight away we do get bashed straight away for trying to share things.
     

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