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    07-02-2011, 07:10 PM
  #71
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Originally Posted by Doe    
In terms of wanting to do something, I am willing to accept that through breeding or whatever, some horses do show an interest in cattle work or even cross country. However Dressage, reining? No that I cannot accept. I have never seen a horse that I believe is enjoying or wanting to do dressage. If that were the case then there would not be the evident tension in their tails, necks, jaws, eyes, so many places. Modern dressage is nothing but fakery. Utter illusion with no substance.
I can dispute that.






^^^ I like how she's reining with no reins.

There you go. Happy, healthy dressage and reining horses.
     
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    07-02-2011, 07:16 PM
  #72
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No need for spurs & whips when a horse wants to perform.
     
    07-02-2011, 07:29 PM
  #73
Yearling
Well, IMO, spurs and whips should not be punishment... Aids for refinement only.
     
    07-02-2011, 07:48 PM
  #74
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Originally Posted by TheLastUnicorn    
Well, IMO, spurs and whips should not be punishment... Aids for refinement only.
Seems to me that aids are the more natural gestures to help the horse know what we want, like weight aids & gravity aids (when torso is inclined when astride).

Whether you call spurs & whips "refinement" doesn't change the reality of what's going on with their users & their horses.

The same with the double bridle: called a "refined" tool. If the horse is highly obedient by the time he's "ready for the double bridle", why does one find it necessary, just for going around in an arena?
     
    07-02-2011, 07:57 PM
  #75
Trained
Spurs can be used to punish a horse. That is how my gelding got his scars.

OTOH, spurs can be used for a light touch at a precise point. I don't ride at that level, so I don't use spurs...but that doesn't make spurs evil. I doubt the large scar on my gelding's side is typical of what happens when top riders use spurs. In fact, I'm pretty sure any judge would choke the rider of a horse marked up like Trooper, unless a very fast explanation was made.
     
    07-02-2011, 08:03 PM
  #76
Banned
OK, I'm too tired today to finish reading every post.

When I watched the first video where it said the horse was free, first thing I thought, 'now I'd love to see this in a place that has wild mustangs, and this guy waiting for one to want to be his bud.' LOL. And I watched the others, and read the posts, and thought, 'exactly how is this guy any different than the other videos I watch on youtube, well except his horses rear a lot and I'm not much wanting to teach my mare that.' And all this hoopla about joining and round pens. I've joined with my mare several times over 3 years, when she was being disrespectful, and it wasn't in a round pen. If she wouldn't let me catch her when I went out to the pasture, I ran her away from me. If she stopped I tried again, and if she took off, I made her go faster. I never knew I was killing her spirit because I can't peel her off me now. And that came from 3 years of solid, consistent work where she now knows I'm not going to hit her, or yell at her, or intentionally scare her. I round penned her once, just to show her different cues of inside and outside turns, and whoa. While she was going around tossing her head and being a brat, I just ignored her. I didn't run her until she had no where to go and had to submit. I let her blow off steam then we worked, but I never once knew she felt so desperate and trapped. If I ever feel she needs to relearn those cues I'll put her in a square pen. And she'll stop at the first corner, and turn to face me and ask me, quite reasonably, 'mom, what the Hades are you doing.' I'll tell her I don't know, and she'll come up to me and comfort me and we'll go do something productive. I didn't see anything different about this guy, but had I, and it grabbed my attention, I would use it. I don't follow any one guru. I enjoyed the videos, they were very pretty, haven't a clue what I was supposed to learn, so will read the last page another day and maybe some of you learned people can tell me what I didn't learn. Thanks, Cheryl
     
    07-02-2011, 08:11 PM
  #77
Yearling
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Originally Posted by morabhobbyhorse    
When I watched the first video where it said the horse was free, first thing I thought, 'now I'd love to see this in a place that has wild mustangs, and this guy waiting for one to want to be his bud.' LOL. And I watched the others, and read the posts, and thought, 'exactly how is this guy any different than the other videos I watch on youtube, well except his horses rear a lot and I'm not much wanting to teach my mare that.' And all this hoopla about joining and round pens. I've joined with my mare several times over 3 years, when she was being disrespectful, and it wasn't in a round pen. If she wouldn't let me catch her when I went out to the pasture, I ran her away from me. If she stopped I tried again, and if she took off, I made her go faster. I never knew I was killing her spirit because I can't peel her off me now. And that came from 3 years of solid, consistent work where she now knows I'm not going to hit her, or yell at her, or intentionally scare her. I round penned her once, just to show her different cues of inside and outside turns, and whoa. While she was going around tossing her head and being a brat, I just ignored her. I didn't run her until she had no where to go and had to submit. I let her blow off steam then we worked, but I never once knew she felt so desperate and trapped. If I ever feel she needs to relearn those cues I'll put her in a square pen. And she'll stop at the first corner, and turn to face me and ask me, quite reasonably, 'mom, what the Hades are you doing.' I'll tell her I don't know, and she'll come up to me and comfort me and we'll go do something productive. I didn't see anything different about this guy, but had I, and it grabbed my attention, I would use it. I don't follow any one guru. I enjoyed the videos, they were very pretty, haven't a clue what I was supposed to learn, so will read the last page another day and maybe some of you learned people can tell me what I didn't learn. Thanks, Cheryl
Everyone's horse and everyone's story is different. That's why it's silly to generalize horses at all, and for people to argue and say "No MY trainer is better" or "THIS training method is stupid!" - There's always exceptions, which is why we always hear people chime in with "Well MY horse..."
     
    07-02-2011, 08:13 PM
  #78
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Originally Posted by bsms    
Spurs can be used to punish a horse. That is how my gelding got his scars. News flash!

OTOH, spurs can be used for a light touch at a precise point.
And the difference, to the horse, between a light touch of a spur and the light touch of a heel is ___?

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Originally Posted by morabhobbyhorse    
...square pen. And she'll stop at the first corner, and turn to face me and ask me, quite reasonably, 'mom, what the Hades are you doing.' I'll tell her I don't know, and she'll come up to me and comfort me and we'll go do something productive.
You're making up a story about how your mare would react to a square pen.
     
    07-02-2011, 08:20 PM
  #79
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Northern    
Seems to me that aids are the more natural gestures to help the horse know what we want, like weight aids & gravity aids (when torso is inclined when astride).

Whether you call spurs & whips "refinement" doesn't change the reality of what's going on with their users & their horses.

The same with the double bridle: called a "refined" tool. If the horse is highly obedient by the time he's "ready for the double bridle", why does one find it necessary, just for going around in an arena?
It's not for "just" going around in the arena, that's my point. It is for gaining more precision with smaller cues. Not to be used for everyday riding.

Just because an aid is often misused doesn't mean that it has no place, and just because your goals do not need those aids does it make it wrong for someone else's to have a use for them, as long they are not used to provoke fear.

I'm actually of the principle that less is more... However, many of my good equestrian friends are heavily into competition. I have had to learn to respect what they do as I expect them to respect what I do. My destination is not so different, ego aside.
     
    07-02-2011, 08:23 PM
  #80
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Northern    
And the difference, to the horse, between a light touch of a spur and the light touch of a heel is ___?



You're making up a story about how your mare would react to a square pen.
Depending on the level of riding, and the level of training.. A different gait, a different movement, amount of bend.... Or nothing at all.

Just to clarify, I did not mean to imply that spurs and whips cannot do harm... Just that it is my opinion that they should never do so.
     

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