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        11-16-2013, 10:59 PM
    Originally Posted by SlideStop    
    Please elaborate why you think its ok to sit under your horse?? I can't comprehend why anyone would think this is a good idea.
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    Liberty isnt all sitting under your horse.. sorry to come off rude but it's not.
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        11-16-2013, 11:06 PM
    Green Broke
    I never said it had anything to do with "liberty". Even if it is or is not "liberty" (and I think it technically is because, if I remember correctly, your horse isn't attached to you in any form) why do you think its perfectly ok to sit down underneath you horse?
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        11-17-2013, 11:39 AM
    Originally Posted by SlideStop    
    I never said it had anything to do with "liberty". Even if it is or is not "liberty" (and I think it technically is because, if I remember correctly, your horse isn't attached to you in any form) why do you think its perfectly ok to sit down underneath you horse?
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    lawl...its not okay to do that and guess what?...WE DONT
        11-17-2013, 12:13 PM
    So I just found this thread and thought I'd pipe in!
    I love working with my horses at liberty! I train primarily with Positive reinforcement - so most of my work has been done on the ground at liberty in a fenced field. But just recently with my project mare I've taken my liberty work to a new level. She hasn't had a piece of tack on her in the past 2 weeks. I've been turning her in and out at liberty - now when I say this, this isn't like letting a horse run from the paddock to his stall or vice versa. This mare has a chronic phobia of tight spaces, and our very narrow barn aisle has taken her months to overcome her fear of. It started with her freezing at her stall door - not even willing to leave her stall! Then when she progressed past that she would rush in full panic through the tight aisle and out the door. So for me to be able to lead her at liberty through the barn aisle with her walking calmly beside me (which there is just enough room for the two of us) this is HUGE for her!
    Also, being a spooky horse in general I've spent a great deal of time counter conditioning her (adding heavy reinforcements like food for being calm in the presence of something concerning). I started with easy things like plastic bottles with noisy things inside and moved up to a power drill (with the bits taken out). She now targets new objects (when asked to) that concern her - with her nose.
    Since doing this I've been working with me at liberty riding (which is done in a small fenced area that's familiar to her).

    All that being said here are some fun pics of some of or liberty work

    I also lunge her at liberty - she will do this in any size field (not a round pen) the tack was there this time because she was learning about her new saddle, but as you see there's nothing connecting us :P

    Oh can't forget my pony! We do at liberty agility together, like dog agility with different obstacles. Here's him going over his elephant jump xD we built that jump for our minis so a little short for him!

    This is her very first time doing any counter conditioning with a scary object. I love watching this video because in 5 minutes she went from pretty concerned about those jugs to wanting them around her! This one while she's not wearing tack, she does have the confinement of her stall to set her up for success. The next session with those bottles were in a large field, where she had the option to be with me and the scary object or to go away and eat grass.

    This is Tank lunging at liberty, she only does walk and trot and changing direction - I don't like the idea of cantering on such a small circle, plus my footing isn't ideal for it.
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        11-17-2013, 12:37 PM
    Punks--The second vid didn't work for me ):

    I did think there was some 'riding under the horse' involved in Liberty... So I may be confused about what, exactly, it is. I didn't read the WHOLE thread... could someone define it for me?
        11-17-2013, 12:48 PM
    Zexious. I just realized youtube keeps stopping mid upload for me ill re upload it tonight.

    Liberty simply means without tack. Everyone has their own opinion of how much liberty is truly at liberty. Some say a fence alone is enough pressure to not be real liberty work. Some say liberty can be with tack so long as nothing is actually physically connecting you (a lead rope or lunge line or reins). My beliefs are that liberty horsemanship (mounted or not) is a horse opting to be with you - working on what you ask without the use of force. To me this includes pressure training -for example if your horse opts to walk away from you, if you make them miserable while theyre away (chasing them or lunging them or making them work) and less miserable while theyre close, then the horse doesnt have an honest choice. If my mare walks away while I'm lunging her I leave. That sucks for her because doing a little work for me gives her lots of food and belly scratches and she understands that the work directly connects to the reward because I use a bridge signal. The bridge signal is a sound that tells the animal "yes, what you did right there is what the reward is for" and buys you time to provide their reward. My horse can choose to be with me, doing as I ask and being rewarded or she can walk away and exist. So far what I've been doing with her has always seemed like the better option. But she always has a choice and is not punished with work or pressure for choosing not to be with me, she's only punished by missing out in somethibg she loves.
    That is liberty horse training to me - but everyone has their own opinions.
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        11-17-2013, 01:56 PM
    ^Ah, yes. I was apparently very confused about what Liberty was! Thanks so much for answering that for me! <#

    Isn't there a part of Westernaires(sp?) that calls itself "Liberty" where they do ride in various unsafe positions?
    I don't know very much about Westernaires, and frankly have a bit of a disdain for most of them...
        11-17-2013, 09:29 PM
    I don't know who the Westernaires are? At liberty riding could include dangerous or silly things - it just means working with a horse with limited to no tools controlling the horse

    Also here's my liberty lunging video xD silly youtube took forever to work!
        11-17-2013, 10:22 PM
    Punk, that's what I do too. Even a halter creates a forced connection. It was a sensational feeling when, spur of the moment, I asked one horse to circle me. Being a gaited horse it's easier for him to do a large circle, more like 60'. We did about 2,12 circles when I asked him to stop. We were in the middle of a three acre pasture that connected with two others. He chose to stay with me.
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        11-25-2013, 03:18 AM
    Green Broke
    I love liberty work! :)

    I once had a horse that couldn't be caught. 2 months later I was backing her around barrels (barrel racing pattern) on foot without a leadrope or halter, all I had to do was give her the signal to back and point/look at what body part I wanted her to move and she did it! It is always so fun to do things without any 'physical' contact

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