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post #11 of 44 Old 03-11-2010, 12:32 PM
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Let's think about what really happened here. The owner brought a horse that he couldn't handle to a respected clinicians wife. The clinicians wife did her thing with the horse and helped the owner work on the horse as well. In the end the owner was happy, the horse was easier to handle and had not been injured or abused and is now a nice riding horse for the owner. I don't know what better outcome you could ask for. Even if you don't agree with what happened in the video (I think alot of you are not watching objectively) the outcome was good for the participants involved. I am confident that now the owner doesn't need to whack his horse with a metal clip when backing his horse so whatever degree of discomfort the horse experienced has been over for years. After watching the other two videos that come before and after the original video I am even further convinced that what happened was fine. I wouldn't have done it quite like she did but it worked and now all parties are happy. If you don't like it don't do it but more right happened there than wrong.

P.S. I still don't like Parelli but I hate to see someone unfairly demonized. Critique all you want but do so with your emotions under control.

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P.S. I still don't like Parelli but I hate to see someone unfairly demonized. Critique all you want but do so with your emotions under control.
No emotions on the subject here. I was willing to believe your side (though I did not really agree with you, I was willing to believe you) until I saw the video of the owner handling the horse.

And what makes it even more wrong is crap LP is spewing now about how dangerous the horse was. The horse was not dangerous. Did you see the owner handling the horse video, Kevin?
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Let's think about what really happened here. The owner brought a horse that he couldn't handle to a respected clinicians wife. The clinicians wife did her thing with the horse and helped the owner work on the horse as well. In the end the owner was happy, the horse was easier to handle and had not been injured or abused and is now a nice riding horse for the owner. I don't know what better outcome you could ask for. Even if you don't agree with what happened in the video (I think alot of you are not watching objectively) the outcome was good for the participants involved. I am confident that now the owner doesn't need to whack his horse with a metal clip when backing his horse so whatever degree of discomfort the horse experienced has been over for years. After watching the other two videos that come before and after the original video I am even further convinced that what happened was fine. I wouldn't have done it quite like she did but it worked and now all parties are happy. If you don't like it don't do it but more right happened there than wrong.

P.S. I still don't like Parelli but I hate to see someone unfairly demonized. Critique all you want but do so with your emotions under control.
I think respected clinicians wife is a really good statement.

Just wondering how that training made a nice riding horse for the owner? No sarcasm here, but what she does in no way seems to help with riding.

P.S. No emotions at all, btw. I still think trainer loosing the temper is the biggest no-no for MY horses.
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When I said "nice riding horse" I was going by what the owner said but everything we do with horses helps with riding to some degree. I think not getting stepped on when the horse spooks at a bag blowing across the yard would definitely improve my riding.

I would really like to see the entire video and see what happened that Linda needed to take over from the owner. Something must have changed in the horses behavior but that horse would most certainly step on you if you were in the way.

I also don't see where LP lost her temper. She used alot of force and she was concentrating but I don't think she lost her temper at all.

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I wish I still had the Level one pack.. I think all the horse did was invade the owners space and linda jumped in.. im not 100% sure it was last year or so that I watched it.
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hi im lookin for info on building stables
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Here is the owner handling the horse before
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*Shrugs* I didn't even know it was LP when I first saw the clip. I still thought it was a demonstarte of how NOT to acheive your objective (Actually, I didn't get the objective at all).

I don't disagree with the level of force. I do disagree with the way it was done - Flapping your arms aroubnd like a chicken and snapping a horse in the jaw with the metal clip on the lead is just not any way I would handle a situation, and I would not allow anyone else to handle my horses like that either.

I don't think the owner was that much better than than LP - He was giving more release, which was great, though the timing was off - but there were no 'phases', to quote Parelli. The horse took a step forward and SNAP gets the clip in the jaw. You ALWAYS need to start with the cue you want to end with - I.e. The smallest. Whisper, talk, yell and all that. Going straight to the strongest cue is only ok when you are physically in danger, and I didn't see that once through either of the videos.

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]If you look at her body language as the video progresses, there is no calm, she becomes more and more tense and even frantic. Her muscles tighten and her movements become jerky, all signs of mental distress(psych student here lol).

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Lol ^^^^ interesting :) I might re watch and look for that stuff!
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