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    04-25-2010, 09:12 AM
  #1
Weanling
Losing Faith in the Horse World

I know this has been done to death, but something I saw yesterday truely bugged me.

I was at an equestrian event with various demonstrations varying from dressage to carriage horses to parelli. An accomplished dressage rider gave her demo with a handful of people watching. She was well spoken, explaining the importance of what she was doing, answering questions, and clearly working well with her horse.

Then there were several Parelli demonstrations, one by a local barn, and one by a certified trainer. People lined up along the fences in crowds to watch cranky horses stand on podiums and push around a ball. They applauded as a horse clumsily popped over some barrels and ooed and ahhhed at the clunky horse with a braced everything cantering around without a bridle. I saw horses that were unfit to ride being ridden, jumped, doing sloppy lateral movement, and being covered up by tarps in the rather hot sun (applause again as the horse takes off, jerks the rope out of the persons hand and continues to the gate solo). I saw horses that I've known for years whose bodies have gone to sh*t with overly tight muscles in all the wrong places, heavy front ends and legs that trail out behind them in all gaits. I saw horses with ears pinned and heads shaking aggressively (and I know the difference between a horse that's paying attention and a horse that's completely PO'd) as they were forced to canter (tightly bucking in many cases) in small circles. All of this as uknowing horse owners watch googley eyed at the people who say that they have learned to speak the "language of the horse". If they truly could speak the language of the horse, they could see that every horse out there was saying F you!

I know this has been done to death, but it really bothers me how an accomplished athlete of a horse can be ignored and sloppy mediocrity can be awarded by the masses. Will people ever see that there is a difference between obedience and correctness? I have seen many horses physically crippled through that program, made insecure in everything but their methods, yet the people keep coming in force.

I know, everyone must be commended for trying, but what I saw yesterday (by people carrying the official Parelli name) was not what was best for the horse.

And no, I'm not posting this trying to slam Parelli, I'm posting this trying to open some eyes and maybe help out a few horses.
     
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    04-25-2010, 09:15 AM
  #2
Green Broke
I think Parelli has become far too "commercialised" I guess. The mind set of a lot of the followers is very much cult like. There are some ideas that I think are fantastic. They do not work for all horses though. I think the best horsemen/women are those that watch many different trainers and learn from them all, and of course a good dose of common sense works too!
     
    04-25-2010, 09:41 AM
  #3
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Originally Posted by FlitterBug    
, they could see that every horse out there was saying F you!

I know this has been done to death, but it really bothers me how an accomplished athlete of a horse can be ignored and sloppy mediocrity can be awarded by the masses. Will people ever see that there is a difference between obedience and correctness? .
Had to leave the first part. Gave me a laugh.

People can't relate if you are too good. The masses can relate to ignorant sloopy handling. They feel they can aspire to this level. The dressage horse was way out of their league, a level they can't realistically acheive.

If you are too good people hate you. You want to appeal to the crowd be mediocre. I found this out by being in front of many a crowd.
     
    04-25-2010, 10:11 AM
  #4
Weanling
Thank you RiosDad, I always try to see things from the other point of view. However, I was making the same mistake that I correct in others. I was looking at the material aspect of it, thinking "who the heck cares if I can do stupid tricks with my horse". I was missing the mental aspect behind it of being intimidated by something that you don't understand. *slaps wrist and opens eyes*

I guess its easy for people to comprehend animals and tricks, so its easy for them to strive towards, giving them at least some sense of control when they have little understanding of the animal that they are working with. It gives them a rule book, a game plan, a goal. It is something that people are already conditioned to work towards. I guess you always have to break something before you appreciate the work that it takes to fix it.
     
    04-25-2010, 10:56 AM
  #5
Started
I've never seen any of what you described....except for the occasional brand new Level 1 students, but certainly not from any Instructors I've ever seen. You don't just see brace in the Parelli circle, I've been to MANY events (non-parelli) and have been disgusted at the things I've seen.
     
    04-25-2010, 11:32 AM
  #6
Weanling
I'm sorry Spirithorse, but I saw what I describe in things that you have posted. I have seen poor demonstrations of disciplines in all levels of the horse world, but I've seen what I describe in the horses in horses at all levels of the Parelli system. Even if the horse learns to lose the look of aggravation, the body never lies, even in the horses I've seen Pat and Linda themselves on.
     
    04-25-2010, 11:37 AM
  #7
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Originally Posted by FlitterBug    
I guess its easy for people to comprehend animals and tricks, so its easy for them to strive towards,
I use to put on animal trick shows, 2 a week for almost 12 years. I have been there. Do I miss it?? Not in the least.

I see the the tricks people are teaching their horses and all I see is a bunch of circus clowns, nothing more. It has nothing to do with riding a horse, bonding with a horse. I see unhappy horses. Horses are not made to do tricks, they are more noble then that. To reduce them to clowns is a sin against nature. And don't come back at me with the bonding crap.
I have been around too long for nonsense. But to the crowd that can't ride, can't teach a horse to do what it was made to do then stick to tricks, make a clown of a noble animal.
     
    04-25-2010, 02:28 PM
  #8
Foal
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Originally Posted by RiosDad    
I see the the tricks people are teaching their horses and all I see is a bunch of circus clowns, nothing more. It has nothing to do with riding a horse, bonding with a horse. I see unhappy horses. Horses are not made to do tricks, they are more noble then that. To reduce them to clowns is a sin against nature. And don't come back at me with the bonding crap.
I have been around too long for nonsense. But to the crowd that can't ride, can't teach a horse to do what it was made to do then stick to tricks, make a clown of a noble animal.
That's so true.

People need to stop thinking of the horse as a source of tricks and entertainment, and start thinking of them as the beautiful, intelligent animal they are. It honestly disgusts me to see what has become of the *majority* of the horse world today.

I also agree with you, from your first post of this topic, when you said "If you are too good people hate you." I have experienced that so much. I've been one of the 'higher' level kids at a few of the barns I've been to, and I've certainly been hated by others - particularly those who I'm younger than. But the important thing for me to keep in mind is to focus on my horse and I, and not the others.
     
    04-25-2010, 02:51 PM
  #9
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Originally Posted by FlitterBug    
I'm sorry Spirithorse, but I saw what I describe in things that you have posted. I have seen poor demonstrations of disciplines in all levels of the horse world, but I've seen what I describe in the horses in horses at all levels of the Parelli system. Even if the horse learns to lose the look of aggravation, the body never lies, even in the horses I've seen Pat and Linda themselves on.
Spirithorse, that's because you will do and say whatever it takes to protect Parelli, even putting blame on other disciplines.
Parelli sucks, in MHO!
Does Nautural Horsemanship suck? Nope, not at all, if used properly! Parelli just got so overrated and for the good of money, not the horses. Spirithorse, your horse may have been greatly affected in a good way with Parelli, but a lot aren't, and you need to accept that just because it's worked for you doesn;t mean every thing Parelli does is awesome.
     
    04-25-2010, 02:56 PM
  #10
Green Broke
Good post. And a huge reason why I think NH has gone down the crapper so fast. I have nothing against true NH - I find it fascinating and I implement many elements of it in my own training programs. The old school teachers had it right.

The Parelli's are marketing genuis' first and horse trainers second. They managed to take something people have been doing for years, and market it with so much fanfare it's just turned into another sham of a "discipline". It's reached the point where you can literally "fake it" with your horse, and the people watching don't know any better because the non-horse crowd laps it up like beer at a hockey game. So many people think it's SO cool, they rush into it, and just because their horse is half-assed paying attention and doing what they're asking, they think they're big trainers now.

Non-horse people don't know anything about something like Dressage. They can't relate to it. We had Elaine give a demonstration at Morris Stampede last year, and there were idiots in the crowd actually booing her and making comments about what a waste of time it was. And yet people go BANANAS when one of those "Buffalo Bill" shows comes out with a cowboy doing crazy tricks and stunts on his circus trained horse. It's not that I'm not impressed, it's cool, but I bet it took that guy 1% of the time to train that horse as it did for Elaine to train Icarus to the point he's at.

It all boils down to the non-horse crowd which fuels an industry like racing because people don't get it. Parelli has done such a fantastic job marketing itself to the non-horse crowd, it's fuelled like a fire because people equate the cute pony doing tricks to their cute dog doing tricks and think it's amazing that a 1,000lb animal can do that, never understanding how technically uncomplex it is compared to most disciplines.
     

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