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post #31 of 36 Old 10-01-2009, 01:05 AM
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I think videos like this just piss off the "traditional" trainers/owners who ride and work in traditional (but non abusive) ways.....and make the "NH" people continue to look like flakes. I mean....it's too extremist for my taste.

I recall seeing Stacey Westfall at a Horse Expo a few months back....she kept reminding people that her bareback and bridleless training with her horse was nearly 3 years in the making.....

Off the topic....here's a cool thing I found out....that there's a Dressage Grand Prix winner who won with a Dr Cook's Bitless in 2008....and who now trains all his horses in that bitless. I think that's cool. To buck the norm. And because of that, though....he is seen by some traditional folks as "essentric".... Hmm...interesting, no?
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Wow, I have to say that video certainly didn't win any points with me, and I highly doubt that is going to do much to promote natural horsemanship across disciplines. I have a great deal of interest in learning natural horsemanship, and actually have NO intentions of giving up my english saddle. I find it pretty insulting that someone would imply that all other trainers who compete or use traditional tack in the show ring are causing pain and using force and lack a trusting partnership with their horse. I have a great big feeling of disillusionment with "store-bought NH" when I see things like that. I thought NH was supposed to be about enhancing your relationship with your horse, creating a deeper bond, and learning better ways to communicate. Does that mean I have to give up my dressage saddle in order to use NH methods??
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Of course you don't have to give up your saddle. Good grief, I ride in a saddle.
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post #34 of 36 Old 10-05-2009, 10:42 PM
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Wow, I have to say that video certainly didn't win any points with me, and I highly doubt that is going to do much to promote natural horsemanship across disciplines. I have a great deal of interest in learning natural horsemanship, and actually have NO intentions of giving up my english saddle. I find it pretty insulting that someone would imply that all other trainers who compete or use traditional tack in the show ring are causing pain and using force and lack a trusting partnership with their horse. I have a great big feeling of disillusionment with "store-bought NH" when I see things like that. I thought NH was supposed to be about enhancing your relationship with your horse, creating a deeper bond, and learning better ways to communicate. Does that mean I have to give up my dressage saddle in order to use NH methods??

I have not worked with NH methods, but I think it is better for a horses back in general to ride with a properly fitting saddle unless you are impeccably balanced. When you ride with a saddle, you are (for most riders) more balanced and you can go into 2-point or post the trot, this keeps your seat off the horse's back and therefore it is not as strenuous for the horse. Anybody who thinks slipping and jarring around bareback is somehow better for the horse's back than a well balanced rider in a saddle doesn't know a whole lot about horse's backs.
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post #35 of 36 Old 10-06-2009, 08:00 AM
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Sorry, I think some might have missed my joke. I was being a smart-a** about giving up my saddle! I was referring more to the fact that I don't have any intention of switching to western but still want to learn NH. I guess I don't understand why NH is associated with the western disciplines and it seems to be so adversarial with english disciplines.
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I think a lot of times english riders (in general, not all) don't see the benefit of riding a horse on a completely loose rein (not to mention bridleless), so they think of it as being a western thing. It's SO important for the horse and rider to be able to ride Freestyle. It teaches the horse responsibility, purity of gait, and it really gets horses using their brains and showing you who he truly is. Plus it's fun! It teaches the rider to not mircromanage the horse, to have an independent seat and to use their focus. That way when you want to ride Finesse (with contact) you ride Freestyle, inside the Finesse. Being able to do that is crucial, IMO.
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