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        04-22-2013, 08:08 AM
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    Originally Posted by TBforever    
    lol I know but its a good example of what you can accomplish with NH

    Without using aids and what not
    Call me crazy, but I've never seen her marketed as a NH trainer. You can absolutely do this without NH, it only takes good training. Lightening and refining ques until they become invisible. I feel that NH, especially PP and CA, just went out and published the "For Dummies" version of horsemanship and made it easy for the common person to "train" their horse without actually going to a trainer, just like changing your oil without a mechanic. Also, as far as communicating "natural" goes, unless you have two large ear, a long neck and head, a nose that can be wrinkled, a tail, and 4 powerful legs, you won't be communicating natural. It's mostly about pressure and release which is nothing new and a focal point of good training. It works, but its nothing more then common sense.
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        04-22-2013, 09:22 AM
    Stacy Westfall has never marketed herself as a NH trainer and what she does is just good horse training. In fact in one of her bridless runs if you can get a close up of her you'll see she's wearing spurs.......it isn't a magical bond you are seeing its a well trained horse with a good trainer on its back.
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        04-22-2013, 10:08 AM
    "I am honored now to consider myself friends with other ‘natural horsemanship” clinicians." Stacy Westfall

    This comes from her website, under the FAQ page-About Stacy- last sentence on the page.
        04-22-2013, 10:36 AM
    Green Broke
    "With Jesse, her invaluable coach, she tours the country offering clinics and making educational appearances at expos and other equine events. She is building the Westfall Horsemanship approach to create a program that is efficient and effective — with resources to compliment the clinics such as DVDs, equipment and an information-rich website."

    Westfall horsemanship. Not natural horsemenship. She is doing common sense training, not using the word "natural" as a sales gimic.
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        04-22-2013, 10:44 AM
    I'm not seeing the difference. Anyway, it doesn't matter much to me what they call themselves. A good trainer is a good trainer.
        04-22-2013, 11:07 AM
    Being friends with natural horsemanship trainers does not automatically mean that Stacy Westfall is one. I'm friends with several math nerds, but I'm still incapable of working through anything but the most basic algebra without having to think about it really hard.
        04-22-2013, 11:12 AM
    Key word in that sentence is "other".

    She also sells DVD's, her own training tools such as a stick and string and she competes in Road to the Horse.
        04-22-2013, 11:56 AM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by Farmchic    
    I'm not seeing the difference. Anyway, it doesn't matter much to me what they call themselves. A good trainer is a good trainer.

    That's the point I'm trying to make. "Natural horsemanship" is a sales gimic slapped together by a marketing genius. People have been doing this kind of training for a very long time. Then someone comes along and calls it "natural". Good horsemanship is good horsemanship! Natural is a sales gimic. The only way to naturally communicate with a horse is to become a horse.
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        04-22-2013, 11:58 AM
    Green Broke
    Also, think about what is "trendy" now a days.... organic products, natural, free, etc, products. Natural horsemanship fits right in with the "go natural" lifestyle fad.
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        04-22-2013, 12:27 PM
    Originally Posted by Farmchic    
    Key word in that sentence is "other".

    She also sells DVD's, her own training tools such as a stick and string and she competes in Road to the Horse.
    So your definition of a NH trainer is someone who sells sticks, DVDs and competes in Road to the Horse?

    ETA: I have never heard or read Stacy herself claim she IS an NH trainer. She has advocated them, even sat in with them on discussions. It seems everyone sees her going bridless and thinks she's an NH trainer.....I've seen plenty of people class her as an NH, but NEVER seen her own written or voiced word that she is an NH trainer....

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