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        02-27-2011, 06:36 PM
      #11
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    The point I was trying to make was that rather Monty lied or not doesn't make his methods any less valuable. It may, however, make me less likely to want to do business with him.

    To christopher: Not everyone lies.
    Amen. I don't lie, my husband doesn't lie. We own a business and we have good relationships with our clients and we make a good living. We like our community, we like our neighbors and we love our life. We trust people and we hope people trust us.
         
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        04-13-2012, 08:25 AM
      #12
    Foal
    To lighten this thread up a bit: I was trying to remember his last name and couldn't get the image out of my head of Monty Roberts pressing his fingers together, grinning madly and saying "Exxxxcelllent." (as in Monty Burns from Simpsons).
         
        04-13-2012, 09:17 AM
      #13
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    The point I was trying to make was that rather Monty lied or not doesn't make his methods any less valuable. It may, however, make me less likely to want to do business with him.

    To christopher: Not everyone lies.
    They have to even if not intentional. If your friend brought a new baby home from the hospital and you thought it was ugly as sin, you are not going to tell them that... you are going to say something nice.

    For example I am the grandma and say... Oh my isn't that the cutest baby you ever laid eyes on?" You are going to say yes to spare my feelings and tell a "white" lie or you are going to say no with an explanation.

    Everyone HAS to tell a "white" lie at some point in their lives to spare feelings. And a white lie is no different than any other lie .... we just look at them differently.

    JMHO :)
         
        04-13-2012, 09:29 AM
      #14
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    If the baby is that ugly, I just say what lovely eyes! No lies because eyes are always lovely even if the owner of the eyes aren't that lovely!
         
        04-13-2012, 09:54 AM
      #15
    Foal
    I enjoy his Join-Up method when building a a relationship with a new horse, beyond that I don't know much about him.
         
        04-13-2012, 02:09 PM
      #16
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    Originally Posted by gigem88    
    If the baby is that ugly, I just say what lovely eyes! No lies because eyes are always lovely even if the owner of the eyes aren't that lovely!
    But I will guarantee you "white" lie about something to keep feelings from being hurt. IMO there is not a totally I never lie person alive.
         
        04-17-2012, 10:33 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    I don't dislike Monty Roberts, and I think that his efforts to help people understand horse behavior were probably done with good intentions.

    Having said that. . .it's harder to respect someone who uses "drama" and "lies" about themselves and their family to sell their product or training method. He may still be a decent trainer, but if that's the case then he should just focus on being a trainer, not trying to draw sympathy (and money) by telling sob stories and lies about his own past.
         
        04-17-2012, 12:01 PM
      #18
    Banned
    Personally, I don't believe anything I read or hear about unless I have witnessed it myself and have seen it with my own eyes. Just because someone says something, it don't make it necessarily true.
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        04-17-2012, 12:15 PM
      #19
    Trained
    I'll just wait to see how this thread works itself out.
         
        04-17-2012, 12:25 PM
      #20
    Showing
    Our memories do funny things after many years, especially childhood memories. As adults we forget about what we did that elicited certain reactions from our parents. Childhood perceptions can grow with time until the event or emotion becomes much larger that it actually was. Buck Branaman speaks of paternal cruelty yet can be the same with with students whom he feels aren't trying hard enough. So what he condems he passes along.
         

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