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    03-25-2012, 01:58 PM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by yadlim    
My boy, who had a tendancy to rear at the drop of a hat, did not rear again for over seven years.
Thanks for the reply.. Iv a huge problem with my good mare rearing..did he make any points that were soley about rearing? I watched a clip once of him in Ireland, this 12 yr old mare reared and bucked like a stupid 3yr old and he put pacifiers on her, was unreal the difference they made. Seriously considering trying them out on her..
     
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    03-25-2012, 02:01 PM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by SkyeDawn    
I don't like him, I don't like how he is with horses, and I would not respect anyone that got a degree from his university (meaning they don't automatically get my respect simply because they had a degree from his university, they would have to prove themselves to me).

This is my personal opinion, and honestly, my opinion shouldn't really matter to you in your own decision making. The man gives me the creeps and he is sleazy. I can't watch 5 seconds of him without getting chills and being disgusted.
Having personally interacted with him, I have to agree. The man is a sleeze!! The kind of guy you would NOT want to find yourself in a dark alley with.

But like all horse people I talk to/watch, I take what I can use and leave the rest.
     
    03-25-2012, 02:06 PM
  #13
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Derry girl    
Thanks for the reply.. Iv a huge problem with my good mare rearing..did he make any points that were soley about rearing? I watched a clip once of him in Ireland, this 12 yr old mare reared and bucked like a stupid 3yr old and he put pacifiers on her, was unreal the difference they made. Seriously considering trying them out on her..
No, although my boy did rear on the way into the round pen, he never reared once for Roberts. All the man did was join up with him and then goof around with him afterwards to show that my colt had given him his absolute attention.

But, like I mentioned it was YEARS before my boy reared again. It went from somethign he did reguarlly to not at all. To this day, 12 years later, I think he has reared maybe four times since that day as a demo horse. Before that, almost every time I worked with him I could expect him to rear at least once.

But... I did keep up on doing join ups with him. Heck, the last time I joined up with him was three weeks ago - and he will be 14 in May.
     
    03-25-2012, 02:21 PM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by SkyeDawn    
I would not respect anyone that got a degree from his university (meaning they don't automatically get my respect simply because they had a degree from his university, they would have to prove themselves to me
... so do I have to prove myself to you..? Fair enough your entitiled to your own opinion on the man personality wise but I think its hard to fault his horse skills.. If I got the opportunity to meet him or do his course Id be well chuffed.
     
    03-25-2012, 02:29 PM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by Derry girl    
... so do I have to prove myself to you..? Fair enough your entitiled to your own opinion on the man personality wise but I think its hard to fault his horse skills.. If I got the opportunity to meet him or do his course Id be well chuffed.
I said that my opinion is my own. :P If I just met you, you told me you have a degree with Monty Roberts, and you feel like you have advice for me? I'll listen to you, but my opinion of you to start with isn't raised simply because of your experience with a man I have no respect for.

I mean it's the same in every aspect of life though, isn't it? I'm not going to look up to Joe Shmoe on the street because he has his own opinions on how I should do things. All I'm saying is I take it all with a grain of salt.

Yes, he gets results with horses. But so do the people that drench their horse's legs with chemicals for saddle seat classes. An extreme example, but still.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I personally do not like him. If you like him and that makes you happy? Hey, go for it.
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    03-25-2012, 02:51 PM
  #16
Weanling
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If you like him and that makes you happy? Hey, go for it.Posted via Mobile Device
Iv never met the man, he done a demonstration at the Dublin Horse show a few years back but there was about a hundred people in front of me so I didnt get to see much. Just watched loads of youtude videos and am on his mailing list. I can see your point now, but your always going to get horsey people that would do your head in, wether their sleazy, rude, a know it all.. you get them everywhere.. tbh from my own experience some of the best riders/trainers can be the worst!
     
    03-25-2012, 02:57 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by Derry girl    
Iv never met the man, he done a demonstration at the Dublin Horse show a few years back but there was about a hundred people in front of me so I didnt get to see much. Just watched loads of youtude videos and am on his mailing list. I can see your point now, but your always going to get horsey people that would do your head in, wether their sleazy, rude, a know it all.. you get them everywhere.. tbh from my own experience some of the best riders/trainers can be the worst!
Yeah, no kidding! You'd think we could all be friends because we share the same passion, but horse people are some of the cattiest people I have ever met! They also tend to have the biggest heads. There are some amazing horse people (a lot of amazing horse people on this forum) but unfortunately the bad outweigh the good.
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    03-25-2012, 07:32 PM
  #18
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I don't think you can learn to ride or train online.

I think you can supplement you actual horseman's education by watching lots of videos with a knowledgable horseperson pointing out nuances and what to watch for, but I don't think a degree in horsemanship from ANY online source is worth a whole lot, IMO.

As far as Monty Roberts goes, I read his book and found some good information in it, stuff that made sense to me and fit in with my own observations and notions of horse training. I think he overstates that "magic" of "join up" but at its core, it's a sound training principle. If he exagerated or misrepresented his personal life in the book, it doesn't make a rat's patootie worth of difference to me in terms of evaluating his training methods. If I judged horsepeople by their personal lives, let's just say I would have excluded a lot of remarkable trainers from my education.

I find him less agressively self promoting than either Parelli or Anderson, and therefore a little easier to take. Doesn't mean his training methods are better or worse, just that I find them more palatable.

If you seriously pursue an education as a horseman, you'll observe and possibly train with a LOT of different trainers. It's never necessary to "drink the Kool-Aid" and wholeheartedly immerse yourself in someone else's method permanently. You may immerse yourself short term for the purposes of learning, but it's almost always a case of taking away what works for you and leaving what doesn't.

So, should you study Monty Roberts' methods and learn from him? Absolutely. He has some interesting, worthwhile ideas.

However, I am not at all sure what's to be gained from enrolling in an online horse trainer's university. I think your money would be better spent working one on one with a trainer in person.

Just my .02
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    03-29-2012, 05:30 PM
  #19
Weanling
I signed up for the online Uni and you don't get a degree from Monty Roberts for completing the videos :) It usually consists of 5-10 videos (each from 5-15 minutes apiece) on a given topic. It's pretty informative and I only watch the videos that pertain to what I want to do with Sonny.

He showed videos on having a horse present a stirrup when you stand on a mounting block and I liked it so much, I taught that trick to Sonny over a weekend. Some of the videos are gimmicky in that his wife is trying to sell you this compost making kit that costs thousands of dollars and the whole dually halter but other videos on the uni are good and he updates them weekly with subjects people are interested in. I can't wait to see the ones about trail riding.

These past few weeks, he had a DVM show what massage and actupuncture can help a horse with pain. He made sure to tell on each video, not to try this yourself but seek a trained professional if interested.
     
    04-23-2012, 01:40 PM
  #20
Yearling
I've read 2 of his books, "the man who listens to horses" and "Shy Boy". I like and use some of his methods to work with my horses, I also combine some different methods from different clinicians, and get about the same results. I read Joe Camps "the Soul of a Horse" its a fantastic book. And I do agree that Monty may not have much in the way of people skills. Joe states in his book about how Monty was barking orders to him about his body position and how he managed to achieve a join up with his horses. Monty seemed to be very criticizing on how the methods are done. So I can agree on some remarks here.
     

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