Originally Posted by spirithorse8
The grand daddy of un-natural horsemanship. I have watched him make every horse he touches subjugated to him, and that is not a partnership.
Working a horse around and around in a round pen till it is tired, then jerking it forward and backward with his Dually halter for another ten minutes, all of this to get the horse to load in a trailer:::: is not horsemanship.
This was not a one time thing, it has been mupltiple times that he has demonstrated getting a horse to load in a trailer in this manner.
1.) No Horsemanship is 'natural' it is a marketing term used by humans
to suck in other humans
in an attempt to appeal to human
emotions. I am still waiting for the day when some new natural horse trainer comes out with a book detailing how you train a wild horse in the middle of nowhere in Montana or wherever with no equipment, no restraints and without actually touching the horse or impinging on its freedom in any way. Now that might be closer to natural horsemanship.
2.) All horse training requires subjugation on some level, it's just the way you go about it that differs.
3.) I am pretty sure Monty Roberts doesn't refer to himself
as a natural horseman or use the phrase natural horsemanship in any of his training material, that is a label that people have given HIM.
Of course, not everyone agrees with his methods and I respect that, just a few points in your post that I wanted to address.