Monty Roberts

I think Monty Roberts is one of my favorites. I don't think he is in it just for the money, everyone has to make money. Best book of his is "From my hands to yours" I have a copy of it on my desk. He goes into detail about "Join-up". I did join up with Hunter when I first got him and it worked. I wish I had a round pen now though because we need to do it again. Can't wait to read his new book.
Oh and read his Horse Sense for People too, that is a really good book.

His book (The Man Who Listens to Horses) is one of the few autobiographies that has really stuck in my mind and changed the way I look at horses. Of course no single person has all the answers when it comes to horse training but he certainly has many of them and some insightful observations, well worth reading.

OK I was just googling some Monty Roberts stuff and came across this book "Horse Whispers and Lies". It's all about Monty and how his books are all lies etc. Has anyone else heard of this?
Horse Whispers & Lies

Well according to that website, that book looks at the claims he made against his father regarding his fathers abusive acts against horses and other family members, can't find anything relating to Monty Robert's training methods in particular?

I never really use his methods on my current horse because there has never really been the need, but I do still really like him. I feel like I could go over to his house for tea and talk horses with him.. His books give the impression that he is just a very normal person, not caught up in whatever fame he may have achieved.

Of all the 'natural horsemanship' options available out there, Monty Roberts is by far and away the only one I'll ever consider using, and have used successfully in the past.
The reason?
Because he uses COMMON SENSE!
I love that!

The grand daddy of un-natural horsemanship. I have watched him make every horse he touches subjugated to him, and that is not a partnership.

Working a horse around and around in a round pen till it is tired, then jerking it forward and backward with his Dually halter for another ten minutes, all of this to get the horse to load in a trailer:::: is not horsemanship.

This was not a one time thing, it has been mupltiple times that he has demonstrated getting a horse to load in a trailer in this manner.

Am I mistaken or are you a total Parelli person. Its not about working them in a round pen til they are tired. It only took 5 mins with Hunter AND IT WORKED!. AND you don't jerk them around with the dually at all, you just have to know how to use it properly. Kinda like the Parelli theory and the stick.

1.) No Horsemanship is 'natural' it is a marketing term used by humans to suck in other humans in an attempt to appeal to human emotions. I am still waiting for the day when some new natural horse trainer comes out with a book detailing how you train a wild horse in the middle of nowhere in Montana or wherever with no equipment, no restraints and without actually touching the horse or impinging on its freedom in any way. Now that might be closer to natural horsemanship.

2.) All horse training requires subjugation on some level, it's just the way you go about it that differs.

3.) I am pretty sure Monty Roberts doesn't refer to himself as a natural horseman or use the phrase natural horsemanship in any of his training material, that is a label that people have given HIM.

Of course, not everyone agrees with his methods and I respect that, just a few points in your post that I wanted to address.

He used to b my mentor.. until me and one of my friends and our horses were apart of his clinic about 7 or 8yrs ago.. I had a very bad experience even with meeting him.. since then I don't like him