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post #11 of 14 Old 09-16-2010, 04:56 PM
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My experience with a Morgan trainer was absolutely horrifying, I hope Dan's was not. Nails under the shoes (to encourage them to pick up their feet smartly), ginger applied to the anus to hold their tails up, whips, riding with a section of garden hose instead of a crop for better response(because the horses had been beaten with one - they leave less bruising). Soring. Peppermints to hide the odor of drugs on their breath. The little kit of injectable drugs I would run across occasionally, the laughing reply of the need to pep up the old ones and calm down the young ones. I could go on.
^Crap like that isn't training. It doesn't matter whether you look for "traditional" or "NH" methods, crap like that still isn't training.

To me, there's no need to have the "natural" in front of horsemanship. It's either horsemanship, or it isn't. A horseman looks to his/her horse's needs first, and goes about training (regardless of discipline) in a way that makes his requests clear to the horse as gently as possible and as firmly as necessary.

Modern BNT's preach this concept, and countless others around the planet and for centuries have practiced it. It isn't about the specific method, it's about truly understanding the horse inside and out, what makes him tick, why it's biomechanically better for him to move this way or that, and learning how to influence his thoughts and actions without causing him undue physical or mental/emotional stress.

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post #12 of 14 Old 09-16-2010, 05:19 PM
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Good trainer is a good trainer. Whatever he/she "practices". I know several english trainers around, who don't claim themself NH trainers, but wonderful. On other hand Caroline Rider (MD based) is NH trainer and I've seen her in "in work" and should say she's very good. I DO think though that good trainer doesn't spend a whole month on groundwork (unless there are some very bad issues with the horse), but shortly get on and teach in saddle.

I really recommend you to take several lessons with her AND come out (uninvited) and watch how she trains. Usually after couple lessons and visit or 2 you can tell if you like/trust the trainer. Also be sure to check if she's the only one who rides the horse or have assistants (I had absolutely horrifying experience when trainer was OK, but his assistant was just OMG )
I agree with every word.
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Thanks for the info guys
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I do not have anything against NH. I use it in many respects. It is more to me a way of though then actually a way of training. I personally would not use a NH trainer however I would want a trainer who uses NH in some form. My trainer is not an NH trainer however he uses those principles when he trains. He has a very good understanding of what a horse response too and how horses move and why. This is NH. Not playing games or forming a bond.

If this trainer is a trainer who will work for you and your horse check her out very carefully. I do not care what trainer is used you must look at how they train what the end result is. Given enough time a monkey can train a horse. When I send a horse off to be trained I expect certain things at certain times. I want a good solid foundation. I do not care if the horse can play games or do tricks. I want a responsive well trained horse based on the time they are at the trainers.

Talk to the trainer watch them ride both new green horses and horses they have had in training for several months. Talk to past clients. NOT JUST THE ONES that are there now.

Now there are many other things I look for when I am looking at trainers however those things would not be available to you most likely.

More then anything you can never do too much homework with trainers.
Agree 1000%.

Putting "NH" in front of it is really meaningless, IMO. Tells me no more than the word "trainer". It is SO open to each individual interpretation, it is ridiculous. Good, means good, no matter how you look at it.

I would also suggest that you spend all the time you can there watching. You will learn a tremendous amount, and you are the one who has to follow up after you take the horse home. I currently have a horse in training-some call him an NH trainer....I see him as more of an old school common sense cowboy type. Very gentle, and very slow. However, everything he does has a reason. I have spent MANY hours this summer watching him, not only with my horse, but with others and have learned a tremendous amount. I have also started riding daily when he finishes training my horse, so that I know exactly how to best handle situations, etc, to keep the horse so nice and soft, as he has taught him.

As a good trainer, he puts good basic training on ALL breeds. Makes no difference whether they are Oldenburgs, show hunters,dressage, Arabs, QH, OTTB, reining (except that IS his specialty)etc. He takes them all, and they all stay until they have at least basic w-t-c SAFELY, and softly.

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