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    01-16-2010, 06:15 AM
  #21
Yearling
I hate the term "natural horsemanship" for the above reasons but until people come up with a better one to describe this particular ethos of training, I feel we are stuck with it. When I have to define it, I say that it is a system of training a horse which takes into account horse psychology and body language, attempts to emulate how they communicate with each other, and offers alternative methods to the "traditional" ones for forming a relationship with the horse.

I have seen horse "free-lunge" each other. If you turn a new horse into a field, or put a couple horses together who don't know each other, the alpha horse will drive the beta horse away until the beta horse submits. Also, in the situation where you introduce a new horse to a herd, frequently the alpha horse will keep the new fella away for a few days, or even weeks.
     
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    01-16-2010, 02:56 PM
  #22
Yearling
Hey Silverspear, I have seen the "free lunge" thing done as well. Though they don't actually use their tails as carrot sticks, you may not believe this but I made that bit up.LOL

I think that on some levels the term natural horsemanship can be dangerous. This is just my opinion OK. It seems though that packaged natural horsemanship attracts beginners and unconfident, inexperienced horse people. For all the right reasons. People want to be better with their horses and gain more knowledge in a way that is kind to their horses and I applaud that. But it is easy to be lead down the path of horse righteousness, "I do "natural horsemanship" everything I do TO my horse is right and good." WRONG! NOTHING we do with horses is natural.

I think that sometimes the way natural horsemanship is practiced is just as brutal and unyeilding as the old cowboy way of rope'em and ride'em. Horses made to dance around and around endlessly, back and forth so on and so on by people who don't understand what they are trying to achieve. I don't really approve of the term 'natural horsemanship', there are many types of horsemen, good, bad and inexperienced and not one thing that any of us do with/to our horses is natural. I would love to see the end of the term "natural horsemanship" because it can be a mask for some very unnatural behaviour.
     
    01-16-2010, 03:57 PM
  #23
Foal
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I think that on some levels the term natural horsemanship can be dangerous. This is just my opinion OK. It seems though that packaged natural horsemanship attracts beginners and unconfident, inexperienced horse people. For all the right reasons. People want to be better with their horses and gain more knowledge in a way that is kind to their horses and I applaud that. But it is easy to be lead down the path of horse righteousness, "I do "natural horsemanship" everything I do TO my horse is right and good." WRONG! NOTHING we do with horses is natural.
I have encountered this as well. It is awful to watch. You suggest a more direct and simple way, and they tell you they only do it the Parelli way. You wonder if they ever really plan on riding that once broke horse, or if they just want to play games with out actually learning the basics of being able to read basic equine body language. The person I am referring to is not on this forum. I am desperately trying to help her as she now owns 18 horses. Many of them babies she is too scared to get in a pen with. The heavier she gets into Parelli the more scared she is to do anything with her horses. I gave her DVD's for other trainers that take a more no nonsense approach and she refused to watch them. She is shocked when I walk into the paddock and put halters on the babies. She swears every horse I help her with is freaking out and needs time to calm down. She doesn't realize It is her that needs to calm down, get off the couch, burn her parelli DVDs and actually spend the money to take lessons with a professional that will deal with her fear issues.
     
    01-30-2010, 06:42 PM
  #24
Foal
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Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
NH is working with the horse's nature, not against it, understanding how he thinks and what makes them tick, and never ever blaming them. NH is less something you do and more something you are. Are we willing to forget all these rules and limitations the horse world has and get back to our senses and just feel and listen. NH is a lifestyle, as it goes beyond your horsemanship. NH is a lot of things :)
This is definitely the best way of explaining it. NA gos so far beyond what can be explained it needs to bee witnessed and even then I think some people are not observant enough nor well enough in tune with horses to do NH. I know some people that do not think that horses think or plot, they think every thing that a horse dos is instinct not brains, someone like that would never be able to do NA properly. If you want more info on NA go to this site, this guy is a very good trainer. Steve Rother - Horse Teacher
     
    02-01-2010, 01:30 AM
  #25
Foal
I don't disagree that the term "natural" can be misleading. I use the term "horse psycology" a lot because I believe that's what the natural is meant to stand for, it's just that that two words don't mean anywhere near the same thing.

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Originally Posted by kiwigirl    
Hey Silverspear, I have seen the "free lunge" thing done as well. Though they don't actually use their tails as carrot sticks, you may not believe this but I made that bit up.LOL

I think that on some levels the term natural horsemanship can be dangerous. This is just my opinion OK. It seems though that packaged natural horsemanship attracts beginners and unconfident, inexperienced horse people. For all the right reasons. People want to be better with their horses and gain more knowledge in a way that is kind to their horses and I applaud that. But it is easy to be lead down the path of horse righteousness, "I do "natural horsemanship" everything I do TO my horse is right and good." WRONG! NOTHING we do with horses is natural.

I think that sometimes the way natural horsemanship is practiced is just as brutal and unyeilding as the old cowboy way of rope'em and ride'em. Horses made to dance around and around endlessly, back and forth so on and so on by people who don't understand what they are trying to achieve. I don't really approve of the term 'natural horsemanship', there are many types of horsemen, good, bad and inexperienced and not one thing that any of us do with/to our horses is natural. I would love to see the end of the term "natural horsemanship" because it can be a mask for some very unnatural behaviour.
     
    02-12-2010, 12:49 AM
  #26
Foal
I myself have always fancied the term 'pressure & release training,' because at the most basic level, that's what all the NH people have in common.
     
    02-13-2010, 03:17 PM
  #27
Yearling
"Pressure and Release" training.... yeah, I could be down with that term.
     
    02-14-2010, 06:40 AM
  #28
Foal

I found this on another persons thread, I think it will explain NH very well for you. Hope it helps
     
    02-14-2010, 01:01 PM
  #29
Trained
The thing is that NH is not a "SECRET" Especially not a Parrelli secret. THIS is the problem I have with Parrelli and most other NH type trainers. Good horsemanship is NOT a secret. It is just that good horsemanship and you do not need to by Parrellis DVDs or all this high prices toys.
     
    02-14-2010, 01:07 PM
  #30
Green Broke
Amen! My grandpa and his grandpa were doing all that way before Parelli and those others came up with it.

And for people to think they cannot move ahead with their horse because they haven't gotten through the third game or they are waiting for enough money to buy the next DVD in the set is a complete joke. I look at some of these people in our arena with their $50 carrot sticks and it just makes me laugh.
     

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