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    04-12-2009, 01:26 PM
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Natural Horsemanship(parelli), I'd like to try it? Lots of questions!

A little history:

Rebel is a 11 or 12 year old tri-colored, Quarter Horse, gelding that I got about 3 years ago. When we got him he was a stallion, we had a choice to have him gelded before we bought him, but he was a good boy and pastured with mares and geldings and didn't bother them. So I thought, if it raises the price why do it when it doesn't seem he needs it? Plus, I would have had to wait for an extra 2 weeks to get him. Yes, I now know I should have just gotten him gelded, but I'm kind of glad I didn't because now I have a cute little filly named Sasha!

He was a very good boy for the first few months we had him, dependable, bomb proof. He just needed work with picking his feet and getting him to go any faster than a walk was a challenge. Now that I think about it, I think his spirit might have been a bit broken when we got him which was sad. He had the personality of Eeor from Whinne the Pooh. In December of 2006 my arab mare came into heat and bugged the living day lights out of him. He didn't respond like a regular stallion, but just in case we still separted them the best we could by having one run loose and the other in the corall (we only had 1 corall and it's okay to let them loose where I live). Well, inevitably a storm came in so we had to put them together again so that they had shelter, and finally his instincts kicked in and he bred her. That seemed to rekindle his sprit a little to much. After that he became more unmanagable. He became barn sour, when we'd get to the top of the driveway, he'd start bucking, rearing, and trying to wipe you off on stuff. He's become spooky, and not all dependable to ride. His attitude will switch like a light switch from mellow and standing one minute to bucking me off the next!

The more undependable he became, the less my dad allowed me to ride him which didn't help the situation much. We then let a friend's friend ride him, but her methods were harsh and she liked pissing off the horse just to get a rise out of him, and ruined him further. Made him fearful and angry so now when your tense on him so is he, but if you relax he takes advantage. We had him gelded last summer to try and help knock some of the edge off of him so that we could maybe get on and get a better handle on him, which it did. Now though, if you try any kind of dominance, training with him he just fights you right back and before you know it you've got a rodeo on your hands.

I've been studying different riding techniques and methods, and I think natural horsemanship is the best way to go with Rebel. My dad rides him and asks him to go everywhere. Which works, but he's very undependable and you can tell he's ready to snap at any minute. Then he has this smug air about him because he's getting his way over dad basically. He does though I must admit respond better to as my dad calls it "sweet talking". Still though, you can tell Rebel is ready to snap at any minute and I can't get away with "sweet talking" because Rebel can just feel how tense I am. I've stopped riding him so that I don't ruin him further, nor get either one of us hurt.

I know this is mostly, if not all my fault for how he's turned out. Now that I've grasped that though, I really want to fix it. I've been around horses since I was 4 so I'm comfortable around them. I just think Rebel and my relationship need help (obviously). When I watch the ground work on with the parelli system I have confidence I could learn it if I had the chance and I think it's the best method of trying to approach Rebel. Then once he trust each other on the ground and have respect for eachother, I think it'd be easier trying to carry on with the system and ride. You see on the ground I trust Rebel, so in turn he trusts me. I can walk up to him when he's laying down and pet him that's all good. On his back though is where I have a difficult time trusting him so in turn I know he doesn't trust me. Our ground work is a bit rusty, and he just becomes more stubborn about doing things as time progesses.

Please, I really, really love Rebel to pieces and want to learn and teach him this natural horsemanship! Problem is I can't afford the DVD's, I'm 15 and don't have a job yet except for the occasional baby sitting here and there. I could purchase the things such as the halter, lead line, ect... Does anyone know where I could get the courses for cheaper? DVD's, Books, anything! Online sources too! I really believe this could help Rebel and I and want to give it a shot! Any tips from those of you who do know Parelli, I would be EXTREMELY greatful if you could share some insight. If not, I totally understand! You paid good money to learn that stuff, why should you give it our for free? I'd get a trainer, but I can't afford one of those either.

Any and ALL advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to ask for more details on Rebel, or PM me if you'd like! Thank you!!!

Ps: I believe on the horsenality chart Rebel is a LB Introvert

Below: Rebel a couple of weeks ago...

     
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    04-12-2009, 06:22 PM
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Wow, you've been through the ringer with him haven't you! But good for you for sticking it out with him and wanting to fix things.

I study Parelli myself and think it's wonderful you are wanting to get into it. It's a wonderful program and I believe in it 100%. I understand not having the funds to buy the DVDs directly from Parelli. Have you looked on Ebay? You can usually find things on there for good prices. Just type in Parelli in the search box.

I would definitely invest in the halter, 12 ft. Line and stick. It's a very good investment and the stuff will last you forever. If you do find DVDs at a price you can work with, I would suggest you get the Level 1 pack. That's the best way to get you on your way. At the very least get the 7 Games DVD from the Success Series.

I'm sure you've already checked out their website, www.parelli.com That's got tons of information for you to look at. You could also look up an Instructor who is near you or who will be coming to your area for a clinic that you could participate in or go audit. I highly recommend Carol Coppinger, Gena Warrington and Aimee Brimhall.

Have you thought about joining the Savvy Club? It's $25/month but the support from the Savvy Club Forum and the educational material is priceless!

You could also do a Yahoo Group search to see if there are any Parelli support groups in your area. I helped create the St. Louis/Illinois Parelli support group on Yahoo and our members are the most supportive and positive people.

Does that help any? Do you have any specific questions? Feel free to PM me if you want to! :)
     
    04-13-2009, 01:34 PM
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Wow, you've been through the ringer with him haven't you! But good for you for sticking it out with him and wanting to fix things.


Yes I have! And thank you, he's very worth it! I know there's a good boy somewhere under there, I just need to learn how to find it!

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I study Parelli myself and think it's wonderful you are wanting to get into it. It's a wonderful program and I believe in it 100%.
That's cool! It does sound like a good program, and something that can help Rebel and I connect immensly!

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I understand not having the funds to buy the DVDs directly from Parelli. Have you looked on Ebay? You can usually find things on there for good prices. Just type in Parelli in the search box.


Haha, as soon as you said Ebay I hit myself on the head! I totally spaced looking on places like that! Ebay does make me a little nervous though, so I looked on Amazon.com and found this book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585747122/ref=s9_sims_c2_s1_p14_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=14G25RM9T3706PWHSB45&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846by Pat Parelli. If you use the "Look Inside" options it shows the Table of Contents. I was starting to read the little "Overveiw" and then when I couldn't read anymore I was kind of sad. I think I'm going to get this book, it's not a terrible amount of money, and it looks like it has a lot of good information in it!

I'm still looking for DVD's, those aren't as easily found for so cheap! I know I need to watch it because not everything can be taught from the book. If I can't find a DVD, I'll keep looking, but maybe try looking at youtube maybe? Also, do you think they would sell Pat Parelli DVD's at the local tack stores? I guess it depends on the store, I know they have a big selection of books, I think I'll look there next time we go to get hay!

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I'm sure you've already checked out their website,
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www.parelli.com That's got tons of information for you to look at. You could also look up an Instructor who is near you or who will be coming to your area for a clinic that you could participate in or go audit. I highly recommend Carol Coppinger, Gena Warrington and Aimee Brimhall.
Yeah, I have! Thanks, I'll definitely look to see who may be in the area! I don't know if I can go, but I can try and see if I could get one of my parents to drive me to one!!!

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Have you thought about joining the Savvy Club? It's $25/month but the support from the Savvy Club Forum and the educational material is priceless!
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You could also do a Yahoo Group search to see if there are any Parelli support groups in your area. I helped create the St. Louis/Illinois Parelli support group on Yahoo and our members are the most supportive and positive people.
No I haven't, but that is also a very good idea that I shall also look into! I don't know if I can pay that though I'm going to try and get a job this summer maybe at a local stable? I have friends I can babysit for aswell! We'll see! That sounds like a good idea though!

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Does that help any? Do you have any specific questions? Feel free to PM me if you want to! :)


Yes! That helps a TON! Thank you very much! Ummm... specific questions? Yah! How much does it usually cost for a rope halter, stick, and lead line? If you don't know off the top of your head that's fine! Do you think $50 will cover it? I got a $50 gift card for a local feed&tack shop from my aunt and cousins for my birthday And thank you! I probably will! You seem very nice, and helpful to boot!! Thank you SOOO much!!!

Ps. I don't know why it's separting those quotes, I keep fixing them but they just put the quote stuff in the middle again! Sorry!




     
    04-13-2009, 04:55 PM
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haha, as soon as you said Ebay I hit myself on the head! I totally spaced looking on places like that! Ebay does make me a little nervous though, so I looked on Amazon.com and found this book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585747122/ref=s9_sims_c2_s1_p14_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=14G25RM9T3706PWHSB45&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846by Pat Parelli. If you use the "Look Inside" options it shows the Table of Contents. I was starting to read the little "Overveiw" and then when I couldn't read anymore I was kind of sad. I think I'm going to get this book, it's not a terrible amount of money, and it looks like it has a lot of good information in it!

That book is very good. It's old though, back when he was first starting, but it will still be helpful to you.

I'm still looking for DVD's, those aren't as easily found for so cheap! I know I need to watch it because not everything can be taught from the book. If I can't find a DVD, I'll keep looking, but maybe try looking at youtube maybe? Also, do you think they would sell Pat Parelli DVD's at the local tack stores? I guess it depends on the store, I know they have a big selection of books, I think I'll look there next time we go to get hay!

Sometimes t ack shops sell things on consignment. The tack store I worked at did that and we actually did have some Parelli DVDs. Unless they're used or something like that you won't find them in tack stores, Parelli doesn't supply them like that. It's worth a look, though!

Yeah, I have! Thanks, I'll definitely look to see who may be in the area! I don't know if I can go, but I can try and see if I could get one of my parents to drive me to one!!!

Definitely look at the Instructors. It would be great for you to go to a clinic and audit. Usually the auditor fees are pretty cheap, like $20. Sometimes cheaper. Sometimes more lol. Just depends on the Instructor.

No I haven't, but that is also a very good idea that I shall also look into! I don't know if I can pay that though I'm going to try and get a job this summer maybe at a local stable? I have friends I can babysit for aswell! We'll see! That sounds like a good idea though!

The online support groups are wonderful. Ours is called SavvyinSTL (savvy in st. Louis). I also belong to a group called Used Horse Stuff and I've seen a lot of Parelli stuff for sale on there. It's also a Yahoo group. Since I'm a member of the Savvy Club I'll look to see if anyone is selling DVDs and if so I'll let you know.

Yes! That helps a TON! Thank you very much! Ummm... specific questions? Yah! How much does it usually cost for a rope halter, stick, and lead line? If you don't know off the top of your head that's fine! Do you think $50 will cover it? I got a $50 gift card for a local feed&tack shop from my aunt and cousins for my birthday And thank you! I probably will! You seem very nice, and helpful to boot!! Thank you SOOO much!!!

I'm going to send you a PM for this part....I know a guy who makes leads, ropes, etc. just like Parelli's for way cheaper and I'll give you his contact info and prices. $50 will not cover Parelli's prices lol. And you won't find near as good as quality in a tack store....I wouldn't even bother looking if I were you. You might be able to find a knock-off carrot stick though....I've seen some decent ones that would do in a crunch. I'll also look on the Savvy Club Forum to see if anyone is selling equipment, too.

     
    04-14-2009, 12:32 AM
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That book is very good. It's old though, back when he was first starting, but it will still be helpful to you.
Okay, that's good to know!!! I another one of his books called "Raise your hand if you love horses", but it was about his life story. Well, at least that's what I picked up when I looked at the little "overveiw" option!

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Sometimes t ack shops sell things on consignment. The tack store I worked at did that and we actually did have some Parelli DVDs. Unless they're used or something like that you won't find them in tack stores, Parelli doesn't supply them like that. It's worth a look, though!


Okey doke! I don't thing they sell consignment stuff, but as you said it's worth a look! Well, they do sell consignment like saddles and such, but I've never seen used books or DVD's. In fact there is a big printed sign on the book shelf that says "NO RETURNS" so I doubt they'd sell consignment DVD's

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The online support groups are wonderful. Ours is called SavvyinSTL (savvy in st. Louis).


Cool, can you veiw them first without signing up? I believe you when you say they're good, but I would probably need to show my parents some evidence like the website before I can give out there credit card number to pay monthly fees

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I also belong to a group called Used Horse Stuff and I've seen a lot of Parelli stuff for sale on there. It's also a Yahoo group. Since I'm a member of the Savvy Club I'll look to see if anyone is selling DVDs and if so I'll let you know.


Omg, could you?! I would be sooo enternally greatful if you did!!! I found a couple Pat Parelli DVD's on e-bay, but nothing I'm really looking for, I think? I didn't see any about the seven games and the other two were about clipping and catch me if you can. I don't really clip my horses much and my horses like being caught If you could though, that'd be soo awesome! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! Also, say (hypothetically) you did find something I would be interesting in buying, would I have to sign up to the group in order to buy it? Or could I purchase it from the outside?

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I'm going to send you a PM for this part....I know a guy who makes leads, ropes, etc. just like Parelli's for way cheaper and I'll give you his contact info and prices. $50 will not cover Parelli's prices lol. And you won't find near as good as quality in a tack store....I wouldn't even bother looking if I were you. You might be able to find a knock-off carrot stick though....I've seen some decent ones that would do in a crunch. I'll also look on the Savvy Club Forum to see if anyone is selling equipment, too.


Okay, cool! That's so awesome! I can't even express my gratitude through words, I'm not that good of a writer! Haha But honestly Thank You so much for taking time out of your day to help me try and figure things out! I really do appreciate it soo much!
     
    04-14-2009, 04:59 PM
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Cool, can you veiw them first without signing up? I believe you when you say they're good, but I would probably need to show my parents some evidence like the website before I can give out there credit card number to pay monthly fees[/FONT]

No, you can't view the groups, but it doesn't cost anything at all. It's completely free. You just go to Yahoo.com, click on Groups, and in the search box type in Used Horse Stuff. To seach for Parelli groups just type in the word Parelli and you can scroll through all the groups and their names to see if there is a support group in your area.

Omg, could you?! I would be sooo enternally greatful if you did!!! I found a couple Pat Parelli DVD's on e-bay, but nothing I'm really looking for, I think? I didn't see any about the seven games and the other two were about clipping and catch me if you can. I don't really clip my horses much and my horses like being caught If you could though, that'd be soo awesome! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! Also, say (hypothetically) you did find something I would be interesting in buying, would I have to sign up to the group in order to buy it? Or could I purchase it from the outside?

If I find something you want to buy I'll put you in contact with that person, that way you don't have to belong to the group to buy the item. You can definitely buy it from the outside.

Okay, cool! That's so awesome! I can't even express my gratitude through words, I'm not that good of a writer! Haha But honestly Thank You so much for taking time out of your day to help me try and figure things out! I really do appreciate it soo much!
You're welcome Okay I sent you a PM with my friend's info. He's the one who makes the halters and stuff. Also I found some stuff on the Savvy Club Forum for sale that you might be interested in so I included that in the PM as well.
     

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