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#1 ·
Just got back from a clinic, the clinician was leading the horse around with the lead rope up across his shoulder, first sign he was clueless(do not know one horseman that does that)! Then the lead rope was had not float in it.
But the main thing he was promoting his bitless bridle, but was still hanging on the horse, that is just as annoying to the horse as if he had a bit in his mouth!
Big difference between horse owners and Horsemen!

 
#2 ·
I dont really know the point of your post... but i lead my horse like that all the time, or in my belt loop, or tucked in my arm, and i can promise, im not clueless on how a horse can react to things.

Im a horse owner and i would call myself a growing horsewomen........
 
#4 ·
I'd imagine the reason he was leading the horse with just a rope is to show natural horsemanship, in that he didn't have to have the rope strapped to the horse's face by a halter to control him. The horse was willing to listen without one...
 
#5 ·
I don't get it either...

In an arena, or any other area where a sudden spook doesn't result in a completely loose horse, I'll frequently drape the lead over my shoulder or forearm if I stop to let the horse relax, or to talk to someone, whatever. I see no problem, and if doing so makes me less of a horseman, so be it. Shoot, sometimes I might just tie the rope in a loose loop around the horse's neck, or even take it off completely and continue to do groundwork. :shock::wink:

No comment on the bitless bridle - I didn't see "him", so I can't say whether "he" was hanging on the horse or not. Certain bitless bridles seemingly can be ridden on a contact, just like any other (English/snaffle) bit. Can't comment much on that either; I don't own a legit bitless bridle. Just halters and snaffle setups.
 
#8 ·
So the thread is rather pointless, isn't it?? If you are the only one to have seen this clinic, and only those who have watched (nobody2121) or actually worked the horse ("HIM") can comment?? Not exactly the most discussion-inviting topic...
 
#7 ·
Going the other way, if he did have a halter on the horse & just left the rope to hang loose over his shoulder this would also be a way to display horsemanship & how the horse was completely willing to follow without him pulling on the lead.
 
#11 ·
All horses start to lead well somewhere, and invariably some will start as "draggers" before they learn better.

Although, as I was not an eyewitness my comments have been deemed irrelevant.
 
#15 ·
Being a guy it is not hard for me to spot one posting on a forum and I welcome other men to the pursuit of horses.

Nobody2121 sounds like a clinician groupie that has gotten into horses more seriously in the last few years and feels that he has really gotten a real corner on the knowledge market by attending and studying the big name trainers.

You would be wise to keep the learning hat on around here and pick up a thing or two more for your riding journey.

It also helps if you share more than just jabs at the new riders on the forum.

Horseman help other horseman.

Here,let me show you how it works.......

Two year old being introduced to cattle for the first time.
See I have a Hackamore too.
 
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#49 ·
I wasn't trying to diss you - I was genuinely interested. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from with your posts. What your background is. I honestly do not know if you are truly trying to help people or stir up people. Sorry, just being honest. If you are trying to help people, give more than one word responses. Explain your responses. If your goal is to help people people, that would make more sense.

As to why threads get closed, if the thread gets over heated and a lot of rude remarks are made. Or if a thread is closed and someone starts up a new thread to continue the one that gets closed. I think there's been more closed that last few days than any other time I've been here.

If there are a lot of reports on a post or thread the moderators might come in and edit them or just shut down the thread. That is what the little exclamation point button in the lower left hand corner is for. The moderators are the ones who shut down the threads.
 
#50 ·
what makes you think I thought you dissing me? you asked if I had shown, answer was yes!

My original POINT, and I have stated this many times is"Parelli has a huge ego and hard to like as a person, all that said Parelli is the real deal and he is one of the best Horsemen out there, yes his marketing makes you sic. he still is extremely talanted, THAT IS MY "ONLY POINT"
 
#53 ·
Oh for goodness sake, nobody, enough. You came here and from this thread and others you have started, not to mention some of the extremely rude posts you have made, you are simply here looking to stir stuff up. If you have actual knowledge about something that would be appreciated by other people, then by all means share in a respectful way. BUT, if you can't do anything other than spout rainbows and butterflies about parelli (even though you don't like him :roll:), then perhaps your time would be better spent on an actual parelli forum. There, you and the other posters could dote on your beloved leader all you want without interference from people who haven't been drinking the kook-aid.
 
#54 ·
I was just responding to other responses, simple as that, I was asked why I was posting. So I pointed out why. He is NOT a very likable guy as far as a human being, but he is talented. sad because many never can get past his personality and I do understand that.
 
#57 ·
See the problem is that no one really believes he is talented. Mainly b/c he is not. Take a good look at him riding in his clinics. The man can not trail you can see that in his horses he can not ride you can see that in the videos. I feel for you if you really think that in talent.
 
#60 ·
Well, if parelli is so concerned about people talking bad about him, then he should fight his own battles. I know you think you are defending PP, but really, all that is happening is you are encouraging people to like him even less. You can preach about how wonderful he is, but don't put down other people you know nothing about just because they don't like him..
 
#64 ·
That is correct and the more the gap the more the bump when the Bosal reaches the end of travel.
A lot of interference will rub on the lower jaw and will irritate the sensitive area of the horse.
The interference also transfers to the nose as the heel knot is pulled back.
 
#65 ·
I thought that a fiador was supposed to be used with a bosal, neither had one. From what I have seen it is common that a fiador is not used. I have been told that it is improper not to use one, and that it is important to have one. Does anyone know the pros and cons of it?
 
#66 ·
When I use a bosal, I generally use a fiador on there. In my experience, it just helps to keep the bosal more secure on the horse's head, not quite as likely to slip off during a head shake or if they rub their head on something while tied. IMHO, it is similar to the browband headstall as compared to either a one-ear or simple one strap.
 
#68 ·
Okay, so enough talk.

Here is a 4 year old filly that I had put about 30 days on. She had a serious running backward under saddle and head slinging issue when she came. Not perfect, but not bad either.


So lets see some of your videos with those BNTs your so happy to drop names about.
 
#70 ·
Really. I am not ashamed of what I accomplish. I may not be the best trainer in the world but I can turn out a rideable horse. Do you have proof you can even do that or do you just go around preaching about how you know this person and that person?

I ask you, where is your proof?
 
#71 ·
Oh this is getting good, I'm glad I found this thread :lol:

I have a few things to ad I suppose:
A bosal is a type of hackamore...
Nobody your bosal does not fit right, it's too small...
Marecare's bosal looks to fit perfect and is definitely a high-quality bosal
Parelli sucks and is not a good horseman, just someone who has a good marketing plan...
I wish you had taken a video of what the clinician had done so we could tell wtf you're talking about...was it a green horse? Because to teach a horse to lead sometimes you have to keep the rope tight and release pressure as they take a step with the rope.

That's all...
 
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