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    10-15-2012, 04:57 AM
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Foal
Question Naughty Horse;

We recently got a new barrel racing horse, he is really sweet natured on the ground, you can do about everything with him, but when your on his back, he is perfect at the start but when he is sick of riding and you make him do something he doesnt want to do he rears every time we turn him a different way to the barn he rears constantly until whoever is riding him nearly falls off backwards or he gets to a dangerous hight, and runs backwards, and turns into a dangerous horse. He has a little girl crush on Flicka my mare and he bolts if her leaves him in front, or he rears if he has to leave. And we can't part with him because we are sooo close to him, and don't have the money to send him to the trainer.

Does anyone have any tips or know what to do?
     
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    10-15-2012, 05:23 AM
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Either don't ride him until you can afford a trainer, either sell him to people who will be able to manage him. I'm sorry if this hurts you, but he clearly has no respect for people and can get very, very dangerous for inexperienced owners, so both you and your horse might be better off if seperated.
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    10-15-2012, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Saranda    
Either don't ride him until you can afford a trainer, either sell him to people who will be able to manage him. I'm sorry if this hurts you, but he clearly has no respect for people and can get very, very dangerous for inexperienced owners, so both you and your horse might be better off if seperated.

Reply; Flicka was the same when he got her and I just pushed and pushed her to do it because she just constantly tried to be the boss and had that personality that she just wouldnt give up but I would stay there for hours until she gave up and she is an angel after a year, but bandit is different, he will do what you what him to do aftertime, but he never improves.
     
    10-15-2012, 06:06 AM
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He would improve with a professional trainer to help him. No horse is the same and they ask for different skill levels - it seems that Bandit might as well be out of your abilities.
     
    10-15-2012, 06:51 AM
  #5
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I'm going to agree with saranda on this one sorry, rearing scares the bejeebus outta me.

Reason being, a friend of mine lost her life january this year from a horse that reared one too many times one afternoon, the mare went up and over, and crushed my friend between her and the ground.

She battled for 10 hours, in a coma, she had a fractured skull, bleeding on the brain and internal injuries. She passed away when her heart and brain couldn't cope anymore, before they even got her stabilized enough to airlift her to Wellington hospital.

Her career as a problem racehorse trainer, her saddle and helmet, her back protector and everything, couldn't save her life.


Please rethink anything you do with this horse, saying that you can't part with him because you are "soooo close" is what will end up getting you hurt if you are not careful. I do understand being close with a horse, I really do, but please don't risk your life for that. You yourself have already admitted he gets dangerous.
     
    10-15-2012, 11:31 AM
  #6
Foal
I agree. There is extreme danger in any horse that rears. Especially if their emotions start to escalate. That seems to be when they go over backwards. I would look at getting a professional trainer to solve this problem for you. It sounds like a simple lack of respect and with the right training tools (experience, timing, process etc.) it can be fixed but it can be a dangerous process along the way. I would seriously look at maybe trading him for a different horse or find a trainer who is willing to help you in trade for something. Horses like this can be a ticking time bomb.

Les
     
    10-16-2012, 06:28 PM
  #7
Foal
Its just weird because he has such a beautiful nature until he has had enough riding, when we got him he was skinny with all his ribs out ect, we fed him up so he looks beautiful and he must of felt good or something. We were told the other day to ride him hard, and when he is naughty and rears either let him go to where he wants so he can calm down and take him back to what you where trying to do with him, or you can get off and lounge him till he fells like his legs are going to fall off and get on him so he knows no to be naughty of he will be really really tired. The letting him go where he wont and taking him back he has actually gotten alot better, I thought it was a stupid idea because he gets to go where he want to calm down but its working, and with my mare, we walk next to eachother and turn the horses bum to bum and do a circle and slowly get the circles bigger and bigger and if he has a sped because flicka is going away we start from scratch and go to little circles again, and he is doing really well with that too, so I thing we might be fixing him, he has been an angel :)
     
    10-17-2012, 08:07 PM
  #8
Showing
You are far from fixing him. The mare is still close by. Did it ever occur to you that this horse may have intentionally been made skinny so he didn't have the wherewithall to give a prospective buyer any trouble. Happens all the time. Horse gets lots of good feed and next thing you know he turns into the Devil himself. You're in over your head with this horse and you are letting your ego dictate your safety. You might love this horse but he sure doesn't love you, doesn't even respect you.BTW if this horse seriously injures or kills you, you can count on a loved one putting a bullet in his head.
     
    10-17-2012, 08:32 PM
  #9
Weanling
That is the way Phar Lap was and it scared the crap out of me. I kept getting on but I had some friends tell me to rehome him before he kills me. I am glad I listened instead of being my stubborn self. I didn't rehome him but I got a trainer. I loved him so much and had such a strong bond with him that I wasn't giving up but I did leave his naughty tendencies to a professional.

Phar Lap would get tired of being rode and he would start spinning, rearing, crow hopping and throwing his head. He never threw me but it rattled my confidence and I didn't want it to make me bitter towards him. Get help as soon as you can!
     
    10-18-2012, 07:53 AM
  #10
Foal
His rearing and bolting when the mare goes away sounds like separation anxiety to me; gradually desensitising him by slowly working further away from her sounds as though it is working. Sounds like if you take it slow and persist with this approach it will work. I agree the rearing is scary, I would be freaked. If I am understanding correctly he is good for a while and then when he's had enough he starts rearing, is that correct? It sounds to me like he is desperately trying to tell you something, especially if he is otherwise well behaved. Could he have a pain issue, something that is ok when you start riding but gets more painful as he goes along? Or, if you are doing the same thing over and over, maybe he is getting bored and it would be helpful to stop before he gets annoyed and do something else for a bit, and then go back to practising whatever.

Sometimes taking a step back and working on developing a good relationship with the horse is helpful. I have been having good success with a program called Friendship Training, it is helping me establish a very good bond with my horse, and it might be worth looking into. Loving a horse is a very good reason to stick with him and work out the problems, just got to go slow and careful to keep you both safe.
     

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