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    06-12-2013, 02:33 AM
"She is now 2 years old she's officially a filly"

A filly is a female horse under 4 years of age. So she was/is a filly in utero, all the way up to her 4th birthday. FYI.
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    06-12-2013, 08:15 AM
Originally Posted by natisha    
If you know those horses are starving you need to report it. The owner should get in trouble if it will get those horses out of trouble.
I'd report my own Mother if she was starving animals as someone needs to speak for those that cannot.
The owner needs to be reported. You can do that without your name being involved, I believe. But to know that these horses are starving and not do anything just because you "don't want trouble" or you cannot afford them makes you almost as bad as their owners. Those horses need you to do the right thing. They cannot speak for themselves.

After reading your last post, I and wondering if perhaps your "friend" takes away Barbies food other times when you are not there? I personally would have laid them out for that behavior and would not want them anywhere near my horse, especially a young one. I am beginning to think you need to move her somewhere where there are knowledgeable people to help you where she will get proper care. You say you want to do the best for her, so perhaps that is it. The people who are "helping" you now are not the right ones.
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    06-12-2013, 01:20 PM
Yea I know I am watching every move that a person makes around her.I am going to do the right thing that's a promise.I am gentle with her and she is with me I can groom her and she learned not to move.She is a good horse she just needs more training.
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    06-12-2013, 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by PrincessBarbie    
Yea I know I am watching every move that a person makes around her.I am going to do the right thing that's a promise.I am gentle with her and she is with me I can groom her and she learned not to move.She is a good horse she just needs more training.
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It is not physically possible for you to watch 24/7. Not possible, period. You keep saying you are "going to do the right thing that's a promise" but so far you a sure not showing it. Watching that person behave like that around your horse is not the same as doing something about it. I really feel sorry for this poor little horse. Love cannot fix everything, my dear.
    06-12-2013, 08:47 PM
Green Broke
Didn't read everything, so sorry if I jump into something.

Just wanted to say that I believe a twitch has its place, though I do believe it is overused.

I had to use one on my mare last year when she got microchipped. The first try, sans twitch, resulting in her pulling back so hard she bent the needle. That is a HUGE needle.

So we twitched her and she didn't even.....well, twitch.
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    06-12-2013, 11:28 PM
The twitch is not used that often only if it's necessary.When she was being shod she had to have a shot to calm her nerves down the needle was only 1 inch long my friend did not give her the shot the farrier did.I might need the product called Mare Magic one day.Thank you for the advice can't thank you enough.I have been mislead before and that's why I came on here.
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    06-12-2013, 11:55 PM
And you continue to be mislead. Until you get away from the people you have been listening to, it will not get better. You just seem to be continuing the cycle of bad decisions. Horses who have been trained and handled properly do NOT need shots for the farrier, or twitching to be clipped. I don't care how small you think the needle is, it should not be necessary with proper training. We have ALL made suggestions as to how you can get the proper education you need to train her, yet you keep going back to these same folks. You either need to move her, or, if you really care about her-rehome her to someone who can teach her properly and has the resources (MONEY) to feed her properly as well, seeing as how you need to "save up for it", and are now dependent on your friend. Not good to be dependent upon someone else to buy food for YOUR animal. What are you going to do if she colics from you not soaking her food as you have been told to?
    06-13-2013, 12:11 AM
As has been said I'd definitely only be using the twitch in emergencies.

I used to have to twitch and sedate my mare to change bandages on her injured back legs. There were no other people effective enough with horses to hold her even on a cocktail of sedation.

I made every effort to handle those legs every day she was only twitched when absolutely necessary for my safety. I encourage the use of a twitch when used properly, for safety. However for frivolous unnecessary proceedures such as this you need to train your horse.

You've had plenty of Suggestions for training this little filly please continue to use the forum to find more. But do not blame the ' terrible twos' they don't exist and your filly should be expected to behave. Silly baby moments sure but moments.
    06-13-2013, 12:20 AM
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I agree that she should be expected to stand for the farrier. My yearling has only ever acted up with the farrier ONCE, and that was his first trim after suffering neurological brain damage. He'd be fine one second then trying to dash off and rip his hoof out of the farrier's grip the next. I had already warned the farrier that due to his brain damage, I didn't know how he was going to act. We never once hit him, twitched him, or drugged him. We got his feet trimmed up(which took an hour and a half) and he's been dandy ever since. In fact, I rasp his feet once a week and handle them more often than that. Just today I was able to go pick out his feet while he was out free in the middle of his paddock. You should be expecting more of your filly. It takes time, but it is definitely rewarding. I would definitely recommend a trainer as he helped me out during Henny's "I dropped and I'm a macho man" phase.
    06-13-2013, 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by PrincessBarbie    
he grabbed it and dumps it in the barn and threw the bucket down he said "Don't blank my blank off". Posted via Mobile Device
Barbie, I'm going to be frank and don't take this the wrong way because I'm not saying it to be critical or mean, but it's more of an observation, based on what you've posted about this friend.

He doesn't seem to understand horse behaviour in the least. Putting her in the barn and taking feed away from her as "punishment" is totally ineffective. Not only would she have forgotten what it was she had done by that point, but IMO, taking away her feed is not something she would understand as a punishment at all. Corrective action has to be immediate. They do something bad, they receive a swat or a scolding or whatever is warranted at the time, immediately. That builds the cause and effect relationship between their behaviour and what happens as a result of that behaviour. Conversely, it's the same for good behaviour as well. They do something you want and they receive some sort of positive reinforcement right away.

Furthermore, throwing a tantrum and dumping feed on the floor shows a complete lack of self-control, which does not mix well with horses, and is just plain unacceptable conduct. At the stable where I ride, if someone conducted themselves in that manner, they would be asked to leave. Horses will pick up on tension or aggression, even if when it's not displayed.

You seem like you really care about this filly and want the best for her. Saying that, I would highly encourage you to find a different place for her to stay with someone different assisting you with her handling. From what you've mentioned, this sounds like a recipe for disaster and isn't safe for either you or your horse.

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