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        06-17-2013, 01:05 AM
      #61
    Showing
    There are probably times when clipping is indeed an emergency (think injured area that needs to be clean in order to see damage/suture it up. That's just one example.

    You can train your horse to handle clippers. I think that's something you should work on doing once you have more horse-handling experience.
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        06-17-2013, 01:11 AM
      #62
    Banned
    Thank you for the advice.
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        06-17-2013, 11:09 AM
      #63
    Green Broke
    Your horse is not ready for showing, so she really doesn't need her ears trimmed & since she is in a field she might need that hair for ear protection. Do what's necessary first, use your money wisely. Did she need shoes or did you do it "just because"? I hope you aren't riding her yet,she is still growing and needs more handling first, but not by your "friend" who seems to have a temper. I'm glad you are asking questions to help you w/this filly, she is a pretty girl.
         
        06-17-2013, 11:11 PM
      #64
    Banned
    Thank you Cacowgirl,I am not riding her yet I will ride her when the time is right.My friend does have a temper.Barbie is still in heat and Sedrick wants to get with her and that can't happen and it's not going to.She is too young and too little later on I might breed her when things get straightened out.I want to breed her later on for 2 reasons 1)To make money and 2) help other people get a good horse.I am going to get her genetically tested first and it's pretty expensive.She has gained quite a bit of weight I am going to estimate that she is more than 500lbs but less than 600lbs.How do you calculate a horses weight?I read in a horse book that it is heart girth x heart girth x 300/50.I hope she has reached her adequate weight when I measure her.She was supposed to seen the dentist today but she didn't show up so I have to call her.Thanks for the advice.
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        06-17-2013, 11:14 PM
      #65
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by PrincessBarbie    
    I want to breed her later on for 2 reasons 1)To make money and 2) help other people get a good horse.
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    Yeah, that is your business but I'm afraid you're going to learn pretty quickly what kind of popularity that kind of BYB sentiment brings forth around here.

    You ask for advice and everyone gives it.

    And pretty much everyone says not to breed, get it out of your head, but it's still there...along with that first and probably primary motivation, I doubt anyone will convince you otherwise.

    Sad, sad... and sad to say that given the rest of this conversation, I'm not surprised....
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        06-17-2013, 11:17 PM
      #66
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    Please put the idea of breeding her way back in the closet, for another year, if ever. You probably wouldn't make any money doing that, and there are so many other things for you to focus on right now. I am sure you are just being overwhelmed with all the advice here, and to add breeding would make it really tough for all of you right now. Just take that thought and put it far , far in the very back of your mind. Stay focused on what needs to be done TODAY, and how much you can enjoy the company of your horse TODAY.
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        06-17-2013, 11:37 PM
      #67
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by PrincessBarbie    
    Thank you Cacowgirl,I am not riding her yet I will ride her when the time is right.My friend does have a temper.Barbie is still in heat and Sedrick wants to get with her and that can't happen and it's not going to.She is too young and too little later on I might breed her when things get straightened out.I want to breed her later on for 2 reasons 1)To make money and 2) help other people get a good horse.I am going to get her genetically tested first and it's pretty expensive.She has gained quite a bit of weight I am going to estimate that she is more than 500lbs but less than 600lbs.How do you calculate a horses weight?I read in a horse book that it is heart girth x heart girth x 300/50.I hope she has reached her adequate weight when I measure her.She was supposed to seen the dentist today but she didn't show up so I have to call her.Thanks for the advice.
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    There are already good horses out there. You cannot help people further, I promise you.

    Horse weight is an approximation. Here is a nifty tool.
    Adult Horse Weight Calculator | TheHorse.com

    You can also use weight tape.

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    From my understanding horse breeding is an expensive process.. I wouldn't consider it a money maker from what you have right now.
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        06-17-2013, 11:48 PM
      #68
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
    There are already good horses out there. You cannot help people further, I promise you.


    From my understanding horse breeding is an expensive process.. I wouldn't consider it a money maker from what you have right now.
    I very much agree with you, but let's play devil's advocate.

    THEORETICALLY, proper veterinary science is a relatively new thing, right?
    So technically speaking, if the horse had plenty of nutrition (through grass and hay supplement at least in Winter), the horse could come out ok with a field breeding and birth. Isn't that what "horses in the wild" do? And a lot of backyard bred horses too?

    I'm guessing that is what would be banked on here. (Even in nature, of course, plenty of births go sadly wrong, but hey, let's ignore that for now).

    Either way, I'll say this:

    Ashley, let's say you breed your horse, and nothing goes wrong, and she lives, and the baby lives. Let's even say you do it more than once and you get 2 or 500 dollars for the baby! Whoohoo, right? Until you find out that the new baby is living exactly how your friend tells you that a horse is ok to be living, no hay and green filled water and all!

    And then what happens when you can't sell the baby and you can't afford to feed two horses?

    Or even worse, when the baby is a boy, you don't sell it in time and it doesn't get gelded in time, and it breeds its own mom?

    You do know that because people can't afford a LUXURY like horses, a lot of horses are going for slaughter?

    They are going for dog food, people food and zoo food, all because there are too many of them, too few people who can afford them, and because horses live a really, really long time. That means that one of Princess Barbie's babies, like other horses in this economy, has a fair chance of going to a slaughterhouse.

    To give you an idea, I got my latest "rescue" from the Auction house around here. The lady was a breeder. I paid 40 bucks for this horse that can be REGISTERED. Her other baby didn't go for even that...he went for $10 bucks, and probably went to the meat truck.

    I don't think you want to risk breeding your horse for $10 or even $50 bucks.

    It's something to think about.
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        06-19-2013, 06:13 PM
      #69
    Banned
    No I would not.I hate horse slaughtering,I am really against it.I love animals and they should not get mistreated.My friend kicked the burro a little too hard because he was wanting to get with Barbie and she needed to go into the barn and eat.The burro was in the barn so my friend tied a rope to the burro's neck to lead him out of the barn so Barbie could eat and he about got away from him and the burro acted up and he kicked him about 7 times.Just so everyone on the forum knows when it comes to my horse I am protective.If my friend abuses my horse in anyway I will take action.I had to stop him from kicking the burro and finally he quit.He knows I don't allow animal abuse.Thank you for your knowledge and wisdom I am learning more than what I did know.
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        06-19-2013, 07:42 PM
      #70
    Trained
    That is not a person I would ever ever ever call a friend. Shoot-I would never even want to be associated with them in any way! (unless it was to take them to anger management)
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