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        09-09-2010, 11:19 AM
      #11
    Trained
    I still can not figure out at what point you need to slap a horse in the head with a snap at the end of a lead. I work stallions at breeding time and have never had one that needed to have his face snapped with anything. If you can control a breeding stallion you can control any horse with out doing this type of thing. This has NOTHING to do with NH. It is instilling fear to the horse. Making them do what you want out of fear of being hit in the face. Just boggles my mind it does it does.
         
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        09-09-2010, 11:49 AM
      #12
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    Because she looks hot in them! Making us all jealous about it!
    Where is the puking smiley when I need it?
         
        09-09-2010, 12:09 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    This method does work in very certain special cases. I'd try very hard not to use it as you're just asking for a high-headed, or worse, rearing horse. But I'd be comfortable using it on an already rearing horse if he was actually being violent, not acting out of confusion, pain, or was taught to rear at one point in his life.

    I'm really confused by their contradictory teachings. Isn't it suppose to go apply little pressure and don't take it off until the horse moves/does what it's suppose to? And if it doesn't move keep increasing pressure, but never actually remove pressure until its done as that's the reward?

    So if wiggling the rope is the cue for backing up and the horse doesn't respond to slight wiggle, wiggle harder? So if the release of pressure is the reward, isn't stopping the wiggle so you can get enough impulsion to smack the horse a good one just completely wrong? Watch the horse's face, the wiggle stops, he relaxes, he thinks he did good. Than wack!

    And the stopping to let the horse think! Gah, he wasn't thinking about what he just learned, he was off staring at the other horses and sky and grass. And then he walked up and touched his owner on the back with no discipline, so he thinks, why can't I walk behind her any other time?

    And he is rushing because he's not paying attention to the leader then all of sudden the leader is going a different away. He has to catch up. I don't find him disrespectful, I find him not being made to pay attention and acting like a young, immature horse who just hasn't been properly taught.

    Also, if you listen to Linda "I don't care if he goes past me way out there, just not near" So, he's not even being taught to stay behind the shoulder. So he runs past, Flap those elbows! He runs past another time, he's backed up and smacked with the snap. Also, her whip is always waving around, probably a big reason why he doesn't rush as much with the owner, she doesn't have the whip flopping about.

    When the owner is calm and not rushing and turning as fast as possible the horse does pretty well, and I think most of his problems were he wasn't paying attention and then the leader turned and he had to rush to catch up. I don't find him disrespectful, I find him not paying attention.

    I hate the marketed NH. I like NH, just not the marketed NH. And it's been a bad day already, so excuse my rant
         
        09-09-2010, 12:11 PM
      #14
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    I still can not figure out at what point you need to slap a horse in the head with a snap at the end of a lead. I work stallions at breeding time and have never had one that needed to have his face snapped with anything. If you can control a breeding stallion you can control any horse with out doing this type of thing. This has NOTHING to do with NH. It is instilling fear to the horse. Making them do what you want out of fear of being hit in the face. Just boggles my mind it does it does.
    I don't remember what the reasoning behind it CA offers. But what I've seen it's done fast and sharp - just good wiggle of the rope, which will be sent to the clip. Of course it' nothing like wiggling and hitting again, and again, and again. Why not to use something else to stop horses running over you? Heck, I don't know. I believe in running into whip or backing if misbehave way more than that "clip" thing. But again, I wouldn't call it abuse really, just bad horsemanship IMHO.

    BTW, similar video (with the blind on one side horse I believe) was posted here while back.
         
        09-09-2010, 12:11 PM
      #15
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    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    Where is the puking smiley when I need it?
    Grrrrrrr...........
         
        09-09-2010, 12:15 PM
      #16
    mls
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    If you can control a breeding stallion you can control any horse with out doing this type of thing.
    Sorry - that is too blanket of a statement for me to be able to agree with.
         
        09-09-2010, 12:49 PM
      #17
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    If stupidity is abuse, call them felons.

    That was such a stupid idea. I don't have sound so I am not exactly sure what they were trying to teach that horse...however I think he didn't have a clue either. I was always taught that it is unsafe to have a horse behind you and disrespectful for them to pass your shoulder. Was my teaching incorrect? Because I have been teaching that to others for years.

    It was just stupid. The whole 2 minutes of Linda showing her how to 'wiggle' the rope. It sure looks like a scare tactic to me. If I were a horse I would much prefer you just hit me and let me learn my lesson than 'buzzing my tower' with lead ropes CONSTANTLY. The horse is obviously a lil fiery to begin with. He sure was trying to do what they wanted him to do though...he just didn't understand!
         
        09-09-2010, 01:16 PM
      #18
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    Originally Posted by corinowalk    
    The horse is obviously a lil fiery to begin with. He sure was trying to do what they wanted him to do though...he just didn't understand!

    He looked to me like he was getting more and more up as they progressed. He started out much more calm than he was at the point I stopped watching.
         
        09-09-2010, 01:26 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    Just watched it, what is the issue. That horse didnt look troubled at the end?
    I didnt see her HIT the horse, she got the horse to look out for her. My observation is a happy horse is looking to see what I am doing and want next, not the other way around. Getting there can be interesting
         
        09-09-2010, 01:27 PM
      #20
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by mls    
    Sorry - that is too blanket of a statement for me to be able to agree with.
    Yes I agree it is very blanket statement. Not a lot of extra time today.

    What I was getting at is that if you have methods that work with a stallion and control him when they are in the actual process of breeding or being collected then you have the tools to be able to control any horse.

    I know as I was building those tools I tried different things until I found the best combination. However non of them included hitting the horse with anything in the head.

    I personally do not even like to have a horse that fare out on a lead unless I am lunging them which I rarely do. The longer the rope the less control you have. This goes for anything not just horses.
         

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