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        09-09-2010, 01:27 PM
      #21
    Trained
    I don't care what clinician is teaching this method, I still think it's highly ineffective wether Linda is doin it or CA/Lyons, etc.

    There's no clear consistency to when he gets reprimanded. I agree to correct him when he gets in front of you, but I don't agree with how they did it.

    I see a timid/ineffective handler being taught to wack her horse in the chin with a clip so she can "protect" herself.

    It just seemed that the horse and handler were more stressed out in the end than the beginning and the horse didn't learn anything other than to jerk his head up when his handler makes a sudden movement.

    What happened to having your horse at your shoulder? You have more control and your horse is generally more focussed on you.
         
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        09-09-2010, 01:44 PM
      #22
    Showing
    Here you go AB LOL.

    While I don't agree with it and saw it a quite a bit over the top for that particular horse, I don't really see it as abuse either. Are there some horses in the world that would benefit from a good pop in the jaw? Probably. But not that horse, and not over and over and over. My biggest problem is still the hypocritical aspect of the whole Parelli cult. The rest of us use curb bits and heavy saddles and we're cruel but they can pop a horse in the face with a snap continuously and everything's hunky-dorey? Puhleeze :roll:. Not to mention that they are showing stuff that they expect people to learn from a DVD but a girl who is right there with LP bleating in her ear can't get it right? Oh, and I absolutely love how at the very end, the halter was just completely hanging off the horse and was so close to slipping off his nose. Is that how they teach people to put a halter on the horse or did it just loosen that much from all the snap-popping?
         
        09-09-2010, 01:50 PM
      #23
    Banned
    Ok...so not to thread jack but we seem to have a nice pool of experienced horse people who have responded to this so Ill ask.

    How would you have dealt with this situation?

    I work with some reaaaal whack jobs at the barn and some of them are lacking in ground manners. I open the door for them to misbehave and then correct them. When the nose gets past my shoulder, I stop and back them up and stand with them in the proper position (for me!) for a few seconds and then start again. Repeat until they get the point that the second that nose passes my shoulder, were backing up.
         
        09-09-2010, 01:51 PM
      #24
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smrobs    
    The rest of us use curb bits and heavy saddles and we're cruel but they can pop a horse in the face with a snap continuously and everything's hunky-dorey?
    I bet you PETA will go after you one day, smrobs! And after me as well - I keep whip in hands!
         
        09-09-2010, 01:51 PM
      #25
    Banned
    Thank you Smrobs! For the smiley and the great post.

    The contradiction is what has always gotten me. I am missing the progressive steps in this teaching maneuver. I thought you ask, then told, then demanded. (He used other words, do not remember what they are.) I miss where the ask and then tell are in this presentation.



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    Originally Posted by corinowalk    

    How would you have dealt with this situation?
    Giggle...you have obviously never met my mare.

    Rude and pushy and in your face. She still gets the option to do it right after being told before she gets the crap beaten out of her.
         
        09-09-2010, 01:54 PM
      #26
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by corinowalk    
    Ok...so not to thread jack but we seem to have a nice pool of experienced horse people who have responded to this so Ill ask.

    How would you have dealt with this situation?

    I work with some reaaaal whack jobs at the barn and some of them are lacking in ground manners. I open the door for them to misbehave and then correct them. When the nose gets past my shoulder, I stop and back them up and stand with them in the proper position (for me!) for a few seconds and then start again. Repeat until they get the point that the second that nose passes my shoulder, were backing up.
    It depends on horse. Sometime I back up or disengage that hind (in fact most of the times). BUT if horse tries to jump on top of me badly (in old barn 5-10 horses tried to jump on top of you at the gate and growling, hand waving etc. did NOT work at all) I use long whip and let them run into.
         
        09-09-2010, 01:59 PM
      #27
    Showing
    Well, PETA can just bring it. I have little tolerance for willful ignorance .

    AB, smiley central is a wonderful little tab, they have about a thousand to choose from.

    Cori, that's how I would handle it too. If they get in your space, back their ass up and get them out of it, then put them where you want them before starting over. At least that horse was reactive to their response, my neighbor has a mare that will just smirk at you and keep walking over the top of you even if you do inflict what should cause pain. I messed with her one day and ended up escalating higher with her than I ever had any other horse to no avail. Spoiled horses are the absolute worst.
         
        09-09-2010, 02:44 PM
      #28
    Banned
    Ahhh smrobs...are you sure your neighbors mare isnt 2600# Rosie? She is getting better but will still do what she dang well pleases...she is big enough to dictate the rules in her opinion. We practice a TON of "Walk-on" and "whoas" on a lead. Its when you arent paying attention that she swings a dinner plate sized foot over your leg and crushes your toes. If a horse could smile...she would be ear to ear.
         
        09-09-2010, 03:00 PM
      #29
    Trained
    When I have a horse that is getting in my space what I do will vary depending on the horse. Some can take the pressure to be more aggressive in what I can do. Others take a less aggressive approach.

    I so use a lot of backing. I find that if you can keep their feet moving that it gives them something to do and get them paying attention. Most of the horses I have had that have gotten into my space have been horses who have not been taught to pay attention to the handler. I have had a lot of mares like that come in for breeding. Their owners just let them get away with it and say its b/c the horse is a mare. They are 100 times better by the time they go home. Sometimes it is just the little things you do to.

    Like the other day. I was bring Te in through the mares. For some reason he decided to give out a nicker. He knows that is unacceptable. He was disciplined and that was it. All it took was me shaking his halter. I do not normally use a lead rope when I bring the horses in. I either put the lead around their neck or just put a halter on them. Te just had his halter on and I was leading him with just the halter. I gave it a yank and that was the end of it. He knows that if he did not it would go to the next level. Have yet to take it there in years. Once you get their attention and respect and the rules are very clear you rarely will have problems again.
         
        09-09-2010, 03:11 PM
      #30
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by corinowalk    
    Ok...so not to thread jack but we seem to have a nice pool of experienced horse people who have responded to this so Ill ask.

    How would you have dealt with this situation?

    I work with some reaaaal whack jobs at the barn and some of them are lacking in ground manners. I open the door for them to misbehave and then correct them. When the nose gets past my shoulder, I stop and back them up and stand with them in the proper position (for me!) for a few seconds and then start again. Repeat until they get the point that the second that nose passes my shoulder, were backing up.
    This is close to what I do. I'll stop and face him, he should stop when I stop, if he doesn't I'll "snatch" the rope and send him backwards and then make him stand. If he crowds my space, I will snap the leadrope on his chest if I need to (the end that I hold). I usually only have to do that once. A problem that I do run into though, is I sometimes will crowd HIS space. He'll be where he should be and then I'll step closer, to rub or love or whatever... then I've put myself into his space which in turn, puts him into a position where he crowds me.

    Space issues are a bigger challenge then some might think....
         

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