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        09-13-2010, 01:20 PM
      #61
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    When the horse doesn't do right it usually is the the human in the wrong.

    So, the horse never got it right (obviously because they kept correcting it) in this video. Does that mean LP was doing it wrong? Does that not conflict with what you said before?
         
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        09-13-2010, 01:22 PM
      #62
    mls
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    When the horse doesn't do right it usually is the the human in the wrong.
    Thus LP was in the wrong for smacking the horse in the face.

    Thank you.
         
        09-13-2010, 01:22 PM
      #63
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    Originally Posted by mls    
    EXCEPT a huge part of the program is based on NON reaction. If the horse doesn't do it right - supposedly the human is in the wrong. That is something a few of us have been frustrated with for MANY years.
    However some will still blame the horse instead of stepping aside and think why it didn't work.
         
        09-13-2010, 01:36 PM
      #64
    Trained
    I won't argue with you about this. If you don't like what you see in the video then don't do it. Nobody is holding a gun to your head (if they are then do it any way they tell you). When your training, you have to do alot of correcting at first and then less and less. I saw a horse that was continueing to push on the handlers space and running past and that is why it was being corrected alot. I didn't see that it was corrected when it stayed as far back as the handler desired. You should be able to lead a horse and keep that horse as far or as close to you as you need to. As situations change the safest place for you to lead your horse will change as well. LP is not a great horseman. Niether is PP but what she is trying to teach the young woman in this video is sound and if the girl will grab hold of it and use it she and the horse will be better off. I personally prefer to develop "feel" with my horses and not rely on a clip or a stick or a string but 90% of horse owners don't have the time, patience or desire to develop the proper feel and timing so they use programs like the Parelli's and Clinton Andersons that teach the how without teaching the why. That's better than nothing and helps alot of people get along better with thier horses and stay safe.
         
        09-13-2010, 02:46 PM
      #65
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    The European woman is Ellen Ofstad, sometimes just Ellen O, or Ellen of Stad. There's a video of her handling a horse gone right-brain, like Barney, the one-eyed Thoroughbred that LP dealt with, which I love, for its quietness, clarity, & rewarding of the slightest try. I think anyone who sees it would agree that that's correct handling of a horsre gone right-brain.

    No doubt, with a horse with more left-brain issues, like Holly's Arab, Ellen would've done far less, if any, whacking the chin with a snap, backing the horse up very far, getting the horse to want to leave by overdoing it, etc.
         
        09-18-2010, 03:09 PM
      #66
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    Originally Posted by Northern    
    The European woman is Ellen Ofstad, sometimes just Ellen O, or Ellen of Stad. There's a video of her handling a horse gone right-brain, like Barney, the one-eyed Thoroughbred that LP dealt with, which I love, for its quietness, clarity, & rewarding of the slightest try. I think anyone who sees it would agree that that's correct handling of a horsre gone right-brain.

    No doubt, with a horse with more left-brain issues, like Holly's Arab, Ellen would've done far less, if any, whacking the chin with a snap, backing the horse up very far, getting the horse to want to leave by overdoing it, etc.
    I seriously hope you are not talking about this

    That is the worst horsmanship ever! That horse didn't want to pay attention, or stand still. Ok, then, move! I would do more Clinton style with this one, send him off and teach him to yield his hindquarters... Keep him moving. Once he started trying to look at ME, I would offer him to stop and stand. You can't make a horse stand still, especially not by continuous yanking on his poor face. I have no problems with bumping ones nose while leading or lunging... but a small, quick bump to get them off my hand (leaning/pulling on me).
    All I see is Linda yanking and snatching, great way to make the poor one eyed horse head shy. You can actually hear the poor thing groaning as she yanks and whacks him with the snap.
         
        09-18-2010, 04:01 PM
      #67
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    Yikes! I am obviously new to THIS forum, so I can't figure out how to edit my post.
    NORTHERN : I totally missed that you were talking about Ellens clip... just found it. I am about to watch now.... SO SORRY that I thought you meant Linda's was the right way. So, I still wanted to say what I did about it, but disregard that it was directed at you! Sorry!!!!!
         
        09-18-2010, 04:19 PM
      #68
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    You will reignite the fire with that one. That is just about the WORST demonstration of "natural" horsemanship I have EVER seen. Is that for real? ARe people really paying this woman to ruin their horses? Unbelievable. I had absolutely no idea what she was going for at any one time, and neither did the horse. He never once get a moment of relief to know that he had done the right things. Terrible with a capitol T!
         
        09-18-2010, 05:07 PM
      #69
    Yearling
    The video didn't work anyone know where I can find it to watch...
         
        09-18-2010, 05:11 PM
      #70
    Yearling
    So usually your suppose to barely wiggle the rope and then if the horse does'nt respond you move up in phases. You don't just start out yanking and pulling on the horse. This is why I don't do paralli anymore
         

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